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and now under the show welcome to

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another special episode of our Halloween

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series today we talked to haunted

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historian Allison Jordan that there is

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something called the Pope Leo the 13th

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Institute and it is a private nonprofit

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organization whose stated purpose is to

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educate priests in the Holy Ministry of

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exorcism and deliverance right here in

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Milwaukee we have an organization that

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trains Exorcist I thought you had to go

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all the way to Rome for that not the

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case there's a lot of things going on

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beneath the surface of the city that

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nobody has any idea about

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this is somewhere in the skies the

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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague we continue our

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Halloween series this week with another

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listener story that is sure to give you

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the creeps this is the story of the D

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upstairs this was an experience I had

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when I was a teenager it was summer and

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I arrived mid-afternoon and was told

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that my friend had promised the

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neighbors she would babysit their

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children later that night here I should

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say that my friend lived in the duplex

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she on the left her neighbors on the

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right nightfall came quick and off we

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went to babysit everything was normal at

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sleep the parents had us have one child

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sleep downstairs and the other upstairs

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to prevent them trying to stay up all

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night talking and playing they had only

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when I heard a loud thud thinking that

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maybe their son was up playing and

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up there to tuck him back in however I

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found him fast asleep

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I questioned if maybe I was just hearing

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things and went downstairs to hang out

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with my friend I didn't even have a

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chance to sit down all the way when

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another loud bang happened only this

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sounded like someone opened a window and

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fell inside which would have been

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impossible as there was no stairs or

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patios upstairs I felt afraid at first

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boy he must have been pretending to

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sleep when I went up there the first

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straight into the room where he slept

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the only thing however there was no

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running sound or jumping sound that we

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away where I saw him before

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hear you up here

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and sleep no more playing okay but there

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was no response he just continued

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sleeping he hadn't even heard me so I

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on the bottom stair determined to catch

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the same as before knowing now it was

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every room again we found nothing I was

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scared by now and we proceeded to go

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of my skin which also started the

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children's parents who had just arrived

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them however they tried to convince us

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it was all in our imagination so off we

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of the duplex as soon as we walked

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through the door I told my friend's

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mother what had happened to my surprise

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she looked me dead in the eye and said

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oh I know it's been happening all night

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for the last two nights and it's gotten

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loud and if I can remember correctly I

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believe she said it had been starting

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sometime shortly after midnight I looked

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at my friend and asked if she wanted to

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stay up with me but she declined she had

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enough and was exhausted herself and

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sure enough the same loud bangs happened

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here upstairs as had happened next door

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this was so much worse though first a

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bang then what sounded like a chair

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being lifted and dropped on the floor

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above our heads the sound came from

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over within you my head began to hurt I

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felt a bit nauseous I asked her what

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happened if we went upstairs she said

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nothing nothing would happen that we

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just wouldn't hear anything I had her go

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with me and sure enough it was silent as

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soon as I had descended the stairs

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the living room the loudest bang

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penetrated so deeply that even today as

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hear it but still feel it my friend's

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mother began to worry she had told me

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that it had not been this bad

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completely stopped leaving us with the

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silence so loud it almost hurt your ears

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rest of my life thank you so much to

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this listener for sharing the story next

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time I hear my upstairs neighbors

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3:00 a.m. maybe I should call a priest

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broom if you have a story you'd like to

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share on the show you can reach me

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through the contact tab on the website

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to discuss further somewhere in the

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skies calm and now onto this week's

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guest Allison Jordan is a recipient of

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the Milwaukee paranormal conference

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Wisconsin researcher of the Year award

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she's been investigating hauntings and

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other strange phenomena for over 20

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kick-started us ghost tourism in 1973

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Ellison developed Milwaukee's first

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haunted history tour in 2008 since then

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she's led numerous haunted history tours

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and presented talks on a variety of 14

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facilitate their efforts she can also be

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heard on the see you on the other side

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podcast today we talk about some of the

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most famous hauntings

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she's researched including the tragic

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a lake a haunting experience by an

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entire major-league base

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all team and we even asked the question

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Alison Jordan I'm here today with Alison

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Jordan and we are just gonna run the

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gamut we you and I connected maybe a

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couple months ago right and that's right

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has has an active indigenous peoples day

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movement although they haven't gotten it

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passed in Milwaukee County thanks to

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that's incredible and I know you you did

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a wonderful campaign of getting people

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to send photos your way and one of those

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was a gentleman who in Hawaii who I'm

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right my girlfriend and I are huge fans

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of who was that would you mind yes he's

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a great ghost historian from Oahu

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so yeah just I was fortunate enough to

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meet him back in 2015 and we're still

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we're still friends and that was really

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love to have him on see ya on the other

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side podcast yeah because he is just

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Hawaiian culture and ancient stories

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just incredible we we were just so lucky

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when we my husband and I were in um

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met lo pack and his wife and they took

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us all around the island it's showing us

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sacred places and it was just one of

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those one-of-a-kind experiences that

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you'll never forget oh absolutely

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first of all I'm so jealous you met him

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can just feel it everywhere you go I

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mean there's so much history and yeah we

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it's a magical place yeah it really is

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and every sense of the word mm-hmm

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to cover some of the stuff you're very

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knowledgeable in both in the paranormal

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and the 14 realms yeah so I guess my

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first question for you is did you have

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any sort of pivotal experience with the

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paranormal that started you on this path

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as a child so I really didn't have a

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pivotal experience it was more like

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being so enamored with the idea that you

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know there might be something else to

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our existence you know something more

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really compelling idea to me and also

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these questions these eternal questions

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of you know who we are and why are we

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here I mean that that was really what

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drew me in the most and and got me to

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really delve into all the strange books

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that were at the school library in the

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community library and so a lot of a lot

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of researchers have started out that way

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now um when I look back I do know that I

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had you know as a child some experiences

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with synchronicity that felt magical I

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also had an experience with with I would

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like I I was interested in psychic

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phenomena so I would make people play

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the number game with me you know think

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of a number any number and then try to

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and I tried to divine what it was and I

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do remember distinctly having an

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experience where somebody thought of a

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number and I was able to figure out what

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that number was and while that was

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happening to me I felt a tingling

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sensation in the middle of my forehead

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which I remember that experience now

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because although you know I was reading

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about it I didn't know you knows you're

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knew about psychic phenomena and the

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paranormal I I don't think I knew about

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the third eye so for me that's like whoa

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what happened there was I really

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making a psychic connection with someone

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because you know I felt that tingling in

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the area of the third eye and that was a

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time when I didn't really have that

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knowledge so that's compelling to me and

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it's kind of a template for the way I go

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about my paranormal investigations I

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mean I'm not your typical paranormal

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investigator in that you know I'm not

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equipment based I'm not even

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metaphysically based I mean what I am

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when my mission is is to search through

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history and find these compelling

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stories that had no explanation and

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still have no explanation today and

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seeing if there's any connections

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between what happened then and what's

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happening now I mean to me that's that

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is so you know so telling to me if you

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if you can have something that happened

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then and nobody remembers it and it's

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still happening now so that's kind of

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like my Holy Grail to search for for of

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phenomena such as that that it still

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continues and was recorded in history

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but everybody's knowledge of it has

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faded but now people are experiencing it

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anew I mean to me you know if you can

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find those patterns if you can find you

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know something that still exists to me

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that that is a kind of proof I couldn't

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agree more and that's sort of the

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approach I take in my life facet of

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study with UFOs is it's the stories you

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know without them we have nothing

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there's no there's no data to analyze

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there's no you know whenever I see these

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ghost shows I hate seeing all these

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gadgets that they put around the house I

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mean that's cool but it's yeah going to

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first of all if I were a disembodied

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spirit let's say um I'm not gonna see a

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camera and be like ooh you know let me

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go wave in these people or all right

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talking to their into their meter or the

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recorder it's just right especially

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they're from the past right not

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recognize what those things are but they

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recognize a person right and it's sort

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of condescending in a way if you think

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about it it's like I'm I'm a spirit I'm

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not going to talk into your little

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recorder or knock over

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one little you know and off of the table

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like let's let's get real here right you

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are performing monkey yeah exactly like

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if you're higher eternal soul treat me

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as such exactly thank you I'm glad we're

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on the same page with that I want to

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sort of get into the inception of what

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you're doing in your your neck of the

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woods with your ghost tours so in 2008

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you founded Milwaukee's first haunted

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history to her right I love the idea of

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the history of places whenever I go

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somewhere my girlfriend and I always

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want to do a ghost tour find out the

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history do a little uh you know legend

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tripping as it were so absolutely how

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did the idea for the haunted tour come

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about so my brother and I as you

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mentioned my brother and I and his band

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they mate

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when dealin stats do this great podcast

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called ICO on the other side but he got

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into it around the same time I got

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interested I believe because my mother

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used to always I'm from Milwaukee

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Wisconsin and she always used to listen

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to the Chicago radio stations and during

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Halloween they would have this ghost

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historian on named Richard Crowell and

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he had actually started haunting at

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history tours in Chicago in 1973 which

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was the same year the haunted tours

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actually started up in London so I think

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those are the first haunted history

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tours and so Chicago's not that far away

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from Milwaukee and I always used to

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during Halloween she would she would put

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the radio on and she's like come on kids

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it's Richard Crowe and then we'd huddle

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up

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next to the radio and listen to listen

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to haunted tales of Chicagoland and I

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think that's what really inspired us the

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most to see that that he was taking

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folklore seriously not not brushing it

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under the rug but studying it and and

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displaying it and performing it for

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everyone to see

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as a part of history and so yeah in 1973

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that's a long time ago um and I was like

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I was like hey I became a teacher and I

397
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was like I got these summers available

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and maybe I should make my own part-time

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job and and nobody you know nobody had

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had started haunted history tours in

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Milwaukee before that point and I'm like

402
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that it's just a shame that Chicago's

403
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had one since 1973 and I guess I just

404
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got tired of waiting and it took a

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number of years to you know get the

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history of the city down and and to you

407
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know just find enough stories in a small

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location because we we sometimes offer

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bus tours which are easier to put

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together but our staple is the walking

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tour and so when you design a walking

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tour you have to have enough stories in

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like a mile area I mean I can't make a

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walk even complaint if it's like one

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point to which mine is right now what so

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it takes a while and I'm just glad that

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you know is able to do it because it

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gives people a weekly forum during the

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summers you know and up until Halloween

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to talk about their stories because you

421
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know that's how I've been able to

422
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continue to collect stories is by having

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that that weekly opportunity to come

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face-to-face with people and giving them

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a place a safe place where they can talk

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about their own experiences in terms of

427
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that for some of us who may have never

428
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been to the Midwest or what not what

429
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what sort of areas do you cover with it

430
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or I've heard mentioned the Third Ward

431
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and yeah certain other areas could you

432
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go sort of describe that paint a picture

433
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for us of what yeah ture embodies right

434
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so the Third Ward of Milwaukee is is a

435
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very historic section of the city and

436
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actually used to be known as the bloody

437
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3rd for a long time it was a an Irish

438
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Enclave and and there were some

439
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rough-and-tumble characters who

440
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inhabited that area it imagined yes

441
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and so today it's really this charming

442
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arts district but it's great to bring

443
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the past back and all these people that

444
00:20:04,350 --> 00:20:01,810
have been long forgotten I mean I found

445
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this article Orion which is all about

446
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Third Ward nicknames like you couldn't

447
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like back in the day back in the 1800s

448
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Early 1900s

449
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you know people went by certain

450
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nicknames that really embodied their

451
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character like the the leader of one of

452
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the reigning Irish gangs was was named

453
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John boiler Walsh because of its his

454
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horrible temper okay so uh you know my

455
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tour is about bringing back metaphorical

456
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ghosts like unfortunately boiler Walsh

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doesn't hunt

458
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I was really wishing good but so

459
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bringing back those metaphorical ghosts

460
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and also talking about modern-day

461
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paranormal reports as well and the Third

462
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Ward of the city is is just a little bit

463
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south of our downtown proper and so just

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south of Wisconsin Avenue although back

465
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in the day Wisconsin Avenue was was our

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main our haunted Main Street as I call

467
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it was part of the third word

468
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historically so yeah and we're right

469
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between the river and Lake Michigan so

470
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there's a lot of great stories from from

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the river and from the lake as well I

472
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can imagine yeah there's so much I would

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assume happens with all people traveling

474
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between the rivers and yeah it's some

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big tragedies of pivotal tragedies that

476
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really shape the history of Milwaukee so

477
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I talk about those as well because again

478
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these events are long forgotten and

479
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people have no idea of what the history

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is I mean I think it's different here

481
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than in places like Europe where people

482
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are more connected to their history or

483
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in indigenous societies where people are

484
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more connected to ancestors and I like

485
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to you know it's more than just the

486
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ghosts of course I like the ghost right

487
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but it's about connecting people to

488
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history mm-hmm which I think

489
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think it's lost when we look at legend

490
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tripping or ghost hunting we're so

491
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focused on trying to hunt that ghost

492
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instead of really hearing the history of

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why they might still be there that's

494
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what I enjoy is the people who are

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willing to go to the local library and

496
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look up this let's say this

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establishment that's supposedly haunted

498
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and actually find out who that spirit

499
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might be instead of saying you know tap

500
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twice on the table if you're here know

501
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who are you why are you here what led

502
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you to this point you know let's get to

503
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know that ghost before we ask these

504
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things of them you know what I mean

505
00:22:47,140 --> 00:22:45,620
right I mean I I think the ghost would

506
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probably like it if you did your

507
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homework and knew how to address them by

508
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name pronounced they think about like

509
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living people and you know are they

510
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gonna respond better to you know

511
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somebody who's personable who knows

512
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their name and knows a little bit about

513
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them or somebody that that just kind of

514
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comes in asses them and knows nothing

515
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,220
yeah yeah that's the the sign of an

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irresponsible investigator I would say

517
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so on your tours Ellison have you ever

518
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had anything really interesting or

519
00:23:21,670 --> 00:23:20,150
paranormal happen where it sort of left

520
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the people there being like oh my god

521
00:23:28,020 --> 00:23:25,520
this is wrong man I wish that I could I

522
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mean I have experiences where people

523
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people have said that you know they

524
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:34,610
caught things on film but yeah it's

525
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nothing like I it's nothing like other

526
00:23:44,260 --> 00:23:40,010
places in the world where where it goes

527
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like scratches you or or makes you faint

528
00:23:48,610 --> 00:23:47,060
or anything like that unfortunately if I

529
00:23:52,060 --> 00:23:48,620
can strum something like that up I

530
00:23:55,900 --> 00:23:52,070
certainly will but the the tour as we do

531
00:23:58,360 --> 00:23:55,910
it is really helps people to see the

532
00:24:00,220 --> 00:23:58,370
entire city and in a way they haven't

533
00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:00,230
before so that's that's the way that

534
00:24:05,250 --> 00:24:03,110
it's transformative I mean I I'm hoping

535
00:24:08,500 --> 00:24:05,260
one day that I get maimed by ghosts

536
00:24:11,230 --> 00:24:08,510
that's one of my new year's resolutions

537
00:24:14,290 --> 00:24:11,240
actually a quality maiming okay I'm this

538
00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:14,300
girl because you know that's really

539
00:24:16,460 --> 00:24:16,130
compelling you can you can show people

540
00:24:19,580 --> 00:24:16,470
that

541
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:19,590
evidence of what happened three but yeah

542
00:24:27,020 --> 00:24:22,320
I I think I think even more compelling

543
00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:27,030
in that is is to is to come away from a

544
00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:31,740
tour and have your worldview changed

545
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:33,750
yeah and I think that that's what we've

546
00:24:39,289 --> 00:24:36,330
been able to do you know and I've taken

547
00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:39,299
several ghost tours now it's something I

548
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:42,179
sort of just started doing because I've

549
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:43,679
also just started traveling for the

550
00:24:48,409 --> 00:24:45,690
first time in my life I have been in New

551
00:24:51,140 --> 00:24:48,419
York State my entire life I met my

552
00:24:54,049 --> 00:24:51,150
girlfriend who is a worldly traveler has

553
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,059
spent years and different continents so

554
00:24:57,409 --> 00:24:55,919
I have her to thank for that and we do

555
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,419
we try to hit up these ghost tours in

556
00:25:02,810 --> 00:25:00,240
every town and I find the historical

557
00:25:06,289 --> 00:25:02,820
aspects so much more rewarding than

558
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:06,299
seeing you know an apparition in a

559
00:25:10,779 --> 00:25:07,890
window or something like that

560
00:25:14,270 --> 00:25:10,789
alright I mean that would be awesome and

561
00:25:16,820 --> 00:25:14,280
and but I you know the thing about being

562
00:25:18,289 --> 00:25:16,830
on this side of the tour you know

563
00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:18,299
because I've been on the other side too

564
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:21,270
because I'm like you anytime we go

565
00:25:29,090 --> 00:25:24,570
anywhere I'm like ah we've got to do

566
00:25:31,250 --> 00:25:29,100
everything haunted I mean don't you you

567
00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:31,260
get bored on vacation let's be honest

568
00:25:37,340 --> 00:25:32,520
where you're just hanging in the hotel

569
00:25:39,409 --> 00:25:37,350
sometimes weird I mean that that is the

570
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:39,419
pinnacle of entertainment for me so I

571
00:25:43,610 --> 00:25:41,610
want to go on the haunted to where I

572
00:25:45,890 --> 00:25:43,620
want to stay in the haunted hotel in the

573
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,900
haunted room I didn't want to eat at the

574
00:25:52,940 --> 00:25:48,000
haunted restaurant I'm gonna do it all

575
00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:52,950
so I'm pretty pretty addicted to the

576
00:25:59,870 --> 00:25:55,500
weird so but I want the other side now

577
00:26:03,529 --> 00:25:59,880
offering the tours and I really see how

578
00:26:06,620 --> 00:26:03,539
people are influenced by the media to

579
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:06,630
expect you know bleeding walls for

580
00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:08,730
example I'm like if I had bleeding walls

581
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:12,110
oh man I think you right there right now

582
00:26:19,130 --> 00:26:15,570
but I think I think the paranormal in

583
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:19,140
reality was my scant experiences of it

584
00:26:26,270 --> 00:26:23,730
is much subtler than that and but you

585
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:26,280
certainly as a tour provider you feel

586
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:30,210
pushed to

587
00:26:35,180 --> 00:26:32,480
you embellish or to make things up which

588
00:26:37,670 --> 00:26:35,190
I will never do but you can you can

589
00:26:41,060 --> 00:26:37,680
really feel that from people that they

590
00:26:43,580 --> 00:26:41,070
want something so dramatic and you know

591
00:26:45,620 --> 00:26:43,590
they're not attuned to the subtler more

592
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,630
life-changing aspects yeah

593
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:48,000
that's such a good point um you know I

594
00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:49,770
recently heard an interview with a

595
00:26:57,650 --> 00:26:53,510
gentleman who haunts houses for a living

596
00:26:59,690 --> 00:26:57,660
in terms of special effects and this and

597
00:27:01,640 --> 00:26:59,700
that and you know he won't divulge who

598
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:01,650
he's worked with but he says some of

599
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:03,450
them was prominent haunted houses around

600
00:27:09,530 --> 00:27:06,690
the world are using his skills and

601
00:27:12,050 --> 00:27:09,540
capabilities to amplify and exaggerate

602
00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:12,060
hauntings um which is extremely

603
00:27:16,130 --> 00:27:14,340
disheartening for someone like you I

604
00:27:18,620 --> 00:27:16,140
would imagine or paranormal

605
00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:18,630
investigators who are just trying to

606
00:27:23,690 --> 00:27:21,150
tell the stories and show you know the

607
00:27:26,150 --> 00:27:23,700
stories are living yeah that's right

608
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:26,160
matter living history yeah yes yeah that

609
00:27:32,660 --> 00:27:29,580
and that is I think a response to what

610
00:27:35,090 --> 00:27:32,670
the public wants they they want ever

611
00:27:36,980 --> 00:27:35,100
more dramatic experiences like you know

612
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:36,990
when you watch the evolution of the

613
00:27:42,860 --> 00:27:40,410
movies for instance you can see that as

614
00:27:48,290 --> 00:27:42,870
well now I love today's movies I love

615
00:27:49,820 --> 00:27:48,300
car chases and explosions why youyou can

616
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:49,830
see that they're always pushing the

617
00:27:55,690 --> 00:27:52,410
envelope and you know for the paranormal

618
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:55,700
I think you know we've got we've got to

619
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:57,690
we've got to come up with a higher

620
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:00,080
standard because we we don't want to be

621
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:04,290
we don't want to be faking it at all I

622
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,570
think there's something compelling there

623
00:28:10,970 --> 00:28:08,640
you know whether whether that ghost

624
00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:10,980
grabs you by the throat or not you know

625
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:12,510
there's something to be learned there

626
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:15,930
that you can take away if you just open

627
00:28:22,790 --> 00:28:20,010
yourself up to it and listen so yeah I

628
00:28:26,750 --> 00:28:22,800
mean I I think I listen to that

629
00:28:28,460 --> 00:28:26,760
interview or you know I'm I'm I'm

630
00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:28,470
familiar with what you're talking about

631
00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:32,940
the person who who haunts these these

632
00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:35,940
supposedly truly haunted locations yeah

633
00:28:40,550 --> 00:28:38,340
and you know once you go it on that road

634
00:28:42,770 --> 00:28:40,560
it's like how do you how do you get that

635
00:28:43,340 --> 00:28:42,780
credibility back yeah I mean where does

636
00:28:44,340 --> 00:28:43,350
it end

637
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:44,350
yeah right and

638
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:46,720
you in places you know in town here that

639
00:28:51,810 --> 00:28:49,570
that it's like here's my catch-22 it

640
00:28:56,570 --> 00:28:51,820
this is like a terrible situation that I

641
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:56,580
meant okay so I started I started

642
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:59,200
investigating ghosts in Milwaukee which

643
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:02,080
is very conservative Midwestern place

644
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:06,370
and so it's really hard to get people to

645
00:29:10,590 --> 00:29:07,840
talk about their ghost stories

646
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:10,600
you really have to drag it out of them

647
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:13,840
okay so that that makes things difficult

648
00:29:19,380 --> 00:29:16,330
for me doesn't it uh but on the other

649
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:19,390
hand businesses are starting to realize

650
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,970
that hey you know we thought that

651
00:29:25,260 --> 00:29:23,679
hauntings would drive people away but

652
00:29:26,130 --> 00:29:25,270
actually it brings them in they're good

653
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:26,140
for business

654
00:29:31,230 --> 00:29:27,730
oh we don't want that to happen either

655
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:31,240
because then they start augmenting and

656
00:29:35,490 --> 00:29:32,890
you can't believe anything they say

657
00:29:38,190 --> 00:29:35,500
because you know that that's a major

658
00:29:41,070 --> 00:29:38,200
part of their business and hey these

659
00:29:45,060 --> 00:29:41,080
places might very well be haunted but

660
00:29:48,510 --> 00:29:45,070
then you're like how do I separate the

661
00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:48,520
truth from you know the razzle-dazzle

662
00:29:55,230 --> 00:29:53,470
that you're given me so yeah I I much

663
00:29:57,779 --> 00:29:55,240
prefer it when I have to drag it from

664
00:29:59,940 --> 00:29:57,789
people or that I here this is my

665
00:30:02,669 --> 00:29:59,950
favorite when I hear from others that

666
00:30:04,740 --> 00:30:02,679
that places are actively hiding their

667
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,750
ghosts like they tell workers they're

668
00:30:11,159 --> 00:30:06,880
volunteers no we can talk about the

669
00:30:13,260 --> 00:30:11,169
ghost stories here it states here a

670
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:13,270
better such a good point iíve been to

671
00:30:18,210 --> 00:30:15,610
many UFO conferences and you'll see

672
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:18,220
these people get on stage and talk about

673
00:30:23,310 --> 00:30:20,799
you know the sutler aspects of the UFO

674
00:30:26,430 --> 00:30:23,320
phenomenon very skeptical very objective

675
00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:26,440
and then you get like one whiskey in

676
00:30:31,230 --> 00:30:28,990
them or one beer and then they start

677
00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:31,240
unraveling and telling you what they

678
00:30:35,370 --> 00:30:33,220
really know and who they've really

679
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:35,380
talked to and yeah there's no what's

680
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:37,570
that inhibition to you know we want to

681
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:39,130
get it out there but we kind of don't

682
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:41,890
and that is the first question people

683
00:30:48,659 --> 00:30:44,799
always ask me you know like do you think

684
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:48,669
towns that have a UFO crash history do

685
00:30:52,890 --> 00:30:50,559
they embrace that or do they want to you

686
00:30:55,530 --> 00:30:52,900
know shove that in the back of history

687
00:30:57,930 --> 00:30:55,540
to never be talked about again you look

688
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:57,940
at something like Roswell that town only

689
00:31:00,790 --> 00:30:58,370
a

690
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:00,800
this now on the money they bring in from

691
00:31:04,750 --> 00:31:03,110
a UFO festival every year hundreds of

692
00:31:07,330 --> 00:31:04,760
thousands of dollars are pumped into

693
00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:07,340
that every year the hotels get packed

694
00:31:12,430 --> 00:31:10,670
this that our local restaurants so I can

695
00:31:15,790 --> 00:31:12,440
imagine you know somewhere like

696
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,800
Milwaukee would want to embrace that in

697
00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:17,600
one way but also shy away from me

698
00:31:23,950 --> 00:31:19,720
because no one wants to be the ghost

699
00:31:27,070 --> 00:31:23,960
city or the ghost town because I'm sure

700
00:31:30,340 --> 00:31:27,080
it would attract a lot of a lot of crazy

701
00:31:31,950 --> 00:31:30,350
people in one aspect but then also like

702
00:31:34,419 --> 00:31:31,960
you said it's a catch-22

703
00:31:37,180 --> 00:31:34,429
absolutely all right once money gets

704
00:31:39,970 --> 00:31:37,190
involved you know it's really super

705
00:31:42,220 --> 00:31:39,980
tough and and you know and people look

706
00:31:43,690 --> 00:31:42,230
at me well you know I started a haunted

707
00:31:46,030 --> 00:31:43,700
history tour but you know you can't

708
00:31:49,330 --> 00:31:46,040
really make people volunteer to be

709
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:49,340
that's your guide so you do have to you

710
00:31:53,140 --> 00:31:51,679
do have to add a monetary aspect in

711
00:31:55,950 --> 00:31:53,150
there unfortunately but I would

712
00:31:59,260 --> 00:31:55,960
understand if somebody would would think

713
00:32:03,760 --> 00:31:59,270
you know what I'm doing is a problem I

714
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:03,770
mean I I agree it's kind of like TV for

715
00:32:10,299 --> 00:32:06,290
example you know if somebody offered you

716
00:32:12,430 --> 00:32:10,309
a TV deal yeah well would you turn it

717
00:32:15,250 --> 00:32:12,440
down you you know because they're

718
00:32:17,890 --> 00:32:15,260
offering you a job where you could you

719
00:32:20,770 --> 00:32:17,900
could investigate the paranormal 24/7

720
00:32:23,049 --> 00:32:20,780
right but on the other hand you know

721
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,059
it's for TV which is all about that

722
00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:26,000
razzle dazzle yeah and that's what

723
00:32:29,650 --> 00:32:27,710
they're gonna be wanting and of course

724
00:32:32,290 --> 00:32:29,660
things are gonna be augmented because we

725
00:32:35,169 --> 00:32:32,300
all know that the paranormal it is

726
00:32:39,310 --> 00:32:35,179
elusive you're not gonna get it to

727
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:39,320
perform on on call so it's again another

728
00:32:47,169 --> 00:32:43,760
tough situation until we can get enough

729
00:32:50,049 --> 00:32:47,179
money from the academic sectors to be

730
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:50,059
able to properly study these phenomena

731
00:32:55,450 --> 00:32:53,110
or we're going to be in these catch-22

732
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:55,460
impossible choice situations yep

733
00:32:58,780 --> 00:32:56,570
absolutely

734
00:33:02,320 --> 00:32:58,790
you know in like you said like TV they

735
00:33:04,780 --> 00:33:02,330
have the resources to to bring it to a

736
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:04,790
wider audience to get you that that

737
00:33:11,170 --> 00:33:07,130
high-end technology to try to capture

738
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:11,180
these things but like you said we view

739
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:12,890
and experience the paranormal from our

740
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:14,720
hearts in our minds more than some

741
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:18,050
little gadget and with that also comes

742
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:20,810
the stories and the stories are often

743
00:33:26,590 --> 00:33:23,810
much more dramatic than seeing the ghost

744
00:33:28,510 --> 00:33:26,600
ever could so I kind of yeah would you

745
00:33:30,550 --> 00:33:28,520
mind if we went through a couple of

746
00:33:33,250 --> 00:33:30,560
these really interesting ghost stories

747
00:33:36,610 --> 00:33:33,260
from the wall sure yeah one of the ones

748
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:36,620
I found very intriguing was about a

749
00:33:41,650 --> 00:33:39,110
young boy named Raymond dots and the

750
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:41,660
charm that struck him could you yeah

751
00:33:48,820 --> 00:33:45,710
poor little Raymond oh man oh yeah yeah

752
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:48,830
that's a story which really went when I

753
00:33:53,770 --> 00:33:51,770
found it you know I was like why did why

754
00:33:58,420 --> 00:33:53,780
don't more people don't why is it that

755
00:34:00,340 --> 00:33:58,430
nobody knows this story because it's

756
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:00,350
it's probably the most terrifying story

757
00:34:07,450 --> 00:34:01,910
I've ever found

758
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:07,460
so nine-year-old Raymond he he was you

759
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:11,450
know a little boy in Milwaukee in 1920

760
00:34:18,940 --> 00:34:16,370
and all of a sudden his parents nose

761
00:34:22,030 --> 00:34:18,950
notice that that he seemed paralyzed by

762
00:34:24,610 --> 00:34:22,040
fear now his parents were estranged it

763
00:34:26,770 --> 00:34:24,620
was unusual for the time that they were

764
00:34:32,010 --> 00:34:26,780
living separately and they eventually

765
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:32,020
divorced but his mother's last

766
00:34:38,110 --> 00:34:35,810
recollection of Raymond was that he was

767
00:34:41,350 --> 00:34:38,120
just huddled in the corner of a room and

768
00:34:44,620 --> 00:34:41,360
his eyes were constantly roaming the

769
00:34:46,930 --> 00:34:44,630
corners as if something was after him

770
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:46,940
and you know she tried of course to

771
00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:50,570
speak to him about what was going on but

772
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:52,910
he refused to speak about it except for

773
00:34:58,590 --> 00:34:55,760
repeating that there was a white shadow

774
00:35:03,220 --> 00:34:58,600
that was following him mm-hmm

775
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:03,230
now when Raymond's father came to pick

776
00:35:10,810 --> 00:35:06,890
him up and take him home that night he

777
00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:10,820
also noticed that that Raymond was

778
00:35:17,620 --> 00:35:14,590
actually that wouldn't walk side by side

779
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:17,630
with the father but was actually you

780
00:35:23,980 --> 00:35:22,130
know staying several steps back and in

781
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:23,990
retrospect you know when I think about

782
00:35:26,980 --> 00:35:24,890
that I think

783
00:35:29,050 --> 00:35:26,990
well he's got this thing following him

784
00:35:32,890 --> 00:35:29,060
you think he would run up to his father

785
00:35:35,530 --> 00:35:32,900
and you know want his father to hold his

786
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:35,540
hand or or you know just to be right

787
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:37,610
there next to him to try to get rid of

788
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:40,970
this thing but instead it's it seems to

789
00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:43,520
me that okay he's got this this entity

790
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:46,070
of following him you know maybe this was

791
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:49,490
an act of heroism on Raymond's part and

792
00:35:55,630 --> 00:35:52,010
he was trying to keep the creature away

793
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:55,640
from his father and that's why he was

794
00:36:01,540 --> 00:35:58,640
staying so far back from him but but

795
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:01,550
yeah so what happened then is the father

796
00:36:08,140 --> 00:36:06,110
took him home and Raymond again just

797
00:36:11,710 --> 00:36:08,150
stayed in the living room huddled in the

798
00:36:14,860 --> 00:36:11,720
corner and then his father eventually

799
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:14,870
you know made him go to bed and had to

800
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:17,930
like force him into the bedroom he was

801
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:20,570
so frightened of leaving but the living

802
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:25,250
room and then into the night the father

803
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:30,560
was awakened by Raymond who was well

804
00:36:36,820 --> 00:36:33,650
actually laughing or making some kind of

805
00:36:39,490 --> 00:36:36,830
strange noises and so the father went in

806
00:36:41,620 --> 00:36:39,500
to the bedroom and he heard Raymond

807
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:41,630
talking to somebody saying you know you

808
00:36:50,590 --> 00:36:47,090
can't get me and then laughing as if he

809
00:36:53,740 --> 00:36:50,600
was in some kind of trance and then his

810
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:53,750
father was shaking him and and his his

811
00:36:59,020 --> 00:36:56,570
father reported that he had said Oh

812
00:37:03,460 --> 00:36:59,030
daddy was so beautiful I was swimming

813
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:03,470
with the fishes oh yeah

814
00:37:09,820 --> 00:37:08,240
right so so the father you know isn't

815
00:37:11,860 --> 00:37:09,830
quite sure to deal with what is

816
00:37:15,220 --> 00:37:11,870
happening you know these to him we're

817
00:37:17,350 --> 00:37:15,230
just the imagine uh it's just

818
00:37:20,260 --> 00:37:17,360
imagination of a little boy right though

819
00:37:23,470 --> 00:37:20,270
the the harmless imaginings or maybe a

820
00:37:25,630 --> 00:37:23,480
nightmare but then unfortunately the

821
00:37:28,060 --> 00:37:25,640
next day you well you gotta get up and

822
00:37:31,450 --> 00:37:28,070
go to work and that's what that's what

823
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:31,460
Raymond's father did and he left Raymond

824
00:37:37,090 --> 00:37:34,480
in the care of a neighbor lady and

825
00:37:38,620 --> 00:37:37,100
unfortunately she lost sight of him he

826
00:37:42,359 --> 00:37:38,630
took his fishing pole

827
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:42,369
and he walked to Lake Michigan and

828
00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:46,970
disappeared now later when a search was

829
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:49,849
launched for him they they did find him

830
00:37:56,829 --> 00:37:51,410
washed up on the shore of Lake Michigan

831
00:38:00,339 --> 00:37:56,839
and in the ensuing investigation they

832
00:38:04,170 --> 00:38:00,349
were able to determine that that Raymond

833
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:04,180
must have just walked into Lake Michigan

834
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:06,890
you know not that he was overcome by

835
00:38:12,549 --> 00:38:09,410
some rogue wave or something like that

836
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:12,559
or fell in and hit his head but that

837
00:38:18,279 --> 00:38:15,680
when he arrived at Lake Michigan they

838
00:38:19,930 --> 00:38:18,289
felt that you know the likely scenario

839
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:19,940
was he just put down this fishing pole

840
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:23,119
and walked into Lake Michigan to drown

841
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:29,650
watch his dog so what is going on there

842
00:38:35,229 --> 00:38:32,960
read that story oh man

843
00:38:36,849 --> 00:38:35,239
goes right to your right your heart it

844
00:38:41,759 --> 00:38:36,859
does it's so set and then you have to

845
00:38:44,650 --> 00:38:41,769
wonder what kind of us like entity or

846
00:38:48,279 --> 00:38:44,660
spirit would want to drive a little boy

847
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:48,289
to feasibly commit suicide at such a

848
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,089
young age and that's what you're getting

849
00:38:56,650 --> 00:38:52,400
to the whole idea of are there good and

850
00:38:58,839 --> 00:38:56,660
bad spirits or yeah like there's nothing

851
00:39:01,900 --> 00:38:58,849
involving this story that makes me think

852
00:39:04,259 --> 00:39:01,910
that whatever was communicating with

853
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:04,269
this little boy had good intentions

854
00:39:08,109 --> 00:39:07,609
obviously yeah what what do you make of

855
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:08,119
that

856
00:39:12,969 --> 00:39:10,160
Allison what do you make of why he may

857
00:39:16,539 --> 00:39:12,979
have done this well yeah I just don't

858
00:39:19,150 --> 00:39:16,549
know I I know that he told his dad this

859
00:39:21,999 --> 00:39:19,160
is a quote from Raymond all the way home

860
00:39:24,579 --> 00:39:22,009
that white shadow crept right along

861
00:39:26,979 --> 00:39:24,589
behind me something is going to happen I

862
00:39:30,190 --> 00:39:26,989
can feel it

863
00:39:32,289 --> 00:39:30,200
yeah I mean this was not this was not

864
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:32,299
some kind of newspaper hoax or anything

865
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:35,599
like that I mean I was able to find the

866
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:38,960
house where Raymond lived I was able to

867
00:39:45,489 --> 00:39:42,529
you know confirm the identity of his

868
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:45,499
father and because his father ends up in

869
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:48,170
the newspapers 20 years later he never

870
00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:50,210
got back together with the mother

871
00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:52,500
they stayed a strange even and tried

872
00:39:59,690 --> 00:39:56,070
and someone had just found his body in

873
00:40:01,100 --> 00:39:59,700
the street and he was listed in the

874
00:40:04,190 --> 00:40:01,110
newspaper because people were looking

875
00:40:09,650 --> 00:40:04,200
for any next of kin for Raymond's father

876
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:09,660
so strategy all around yeah so usually

877
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:11,370
when I think of the paranormal

878
00:40:17,570 --> 00:40:13,770
I don't think of these malevolent

879
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:17,580
entities but they could be out there I

880
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:22,050
mean I it's I I was really surprised

881
00:40:29,870 --> 00:40:26,640
when this summer I prepared another

882
00:40:32,330 --> 00:40:29,880
presentation every year I do a Milwaukee

883
00:40:34,970 --> 00:40:32,340
for Dianna presentation for the

884
00:40:39,070 --> 00:40:34,980
Milwaukee paranormal conference and so

885
00:40:41,570 --> 00:40:39,080
in my research I found all this

886
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:41,580
historical information newspaper

887
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:44,610
articles and books and other things that

888
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:47,730
pointed to a long history in Milwaukee

889
00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:52,290
of exorcism by the Catholic Church and

890
00:40:59,650 --> 00:40:55,110
so that was just startling to me to find

891
00:41:03,170 --> 00:40:59,660
out that that you know these these

892
00:41:05,150 --> 00:41:03,180
traditional rituals that you see

893
00:41:07,730 --> 00:41:05,160
portrayed you know in the movie The

894
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:07,740
Exorcist and this year and the TV series

895
00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:10,290
The Exorcist they really have a basis in

896
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:12,780
fact and not only that they have a lot

897
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,510
of local connections oh man I can only

898
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:17,040
imagine that like opened up the

899
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:20,160
floodgates for your your research and

900
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:22,890
your historical research Wow

901
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:26,570
yeah and the most startling thing was

902
00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:30,330
finding that that not only have these

903
00:41:35,540 --> 00:41:32,460
things occurred here that we've had

904
00:41:37,850 --> 00:41:35,550
exorcisms which made the papers here and

905
00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:37,860
then so you have to ask yourself well if

906
00:41:42,290 --> 00:41:40,380
there's so many that made the papers

907
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:42,300
what didn't make the papers you know

908
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:43,770
it's a lot more likely that that there

909
00:41:50,770 --> 00:41:46,770
was a lot more going on and then I found

910
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:50,780
out that in in Milwaukee actually

911
00:41:57,350 --> 00:41:55,200
specifically yeah bloom on Road here in

912
00:42:00,380 --> 00:41:57,360
Milwaukee so you're you're a local you

913
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,390
know where that is that there is

914
00:42:06,099 --> 00:42:02,720
something called the Pope Leo the 13th

915
00:42:08,829 --> 00:42:06,109
Institute and it is a private non

916
00:42:12,370 --> 00:42:08,839
an organization whose stated purpose is

917
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:12,380
to educate priests in the Holy Ministry

918
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:15,440
of exorcism and deliverance right here

919
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:17,690
in Milwaukee we have an organization

920
00:42:21,130 --> 00:42:19,609
that trains Exorcist I thought you had

921
00:42:23,259 --> 00:42:21,140
to go all the way it's to Rome for that

922
00:42:25,779 --> 00:42:23,269
not the case there's a lot of things

923
00:42:28,539 --> 00:42:25,789
going on beneath the surface of the city

924
00:42:30,849 --> 00:42:28,549
that nobody has any idea about wow

925
00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:30,859
that's that's a like a movie within

926
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:33,230
itself like this yeah that's sort of

927
00:42:37,539 --> 00:42:35,930
clad in stunt group training exorcists

928
00:42:39,549 --> 00:42:37,549
in Milwaukee Wisconsin

929
00:42:40,690 --> 00:42:39,559
but yeah I'm gonna start writing it I

930
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:40,700
don't know I'll give you credit

931
00:42:47,529 --> 00:42:43,910
I promise very awesome I need to get off

932
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:47,539
UFOs for a little bit and rights of the

933
00:42:53,140 --> 00:42:50,170
demons yeah let's go to demons well um

934
00:42:55,150 --> 00:42:53,150
you know I spent half my life as a

935
00:42:59,470 --> 00:42:55,160
baseball player actually I was saying

936
00:43:02,109 --> 00:42:59,480
that oh wow yeah all throughout my

937
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:02,119
entire life up through even college even

938
00:43:08,380 --> 00:43:05,359
and I found this really interesting you

939
00:43:10,779 --> 00:43:08,390
came across a story about Charles Visser

940
00:43:12,910 --> 00:43:10,789
and the Milwaukee Brewers know what's

941
00:43:17,019 --> 00:43:12,920
right what is this connection this

942
00:43:22,029 --> 00:43:17,029
really fascinated me okay yeah so the

943
00:43:24,819 --> 00:43:22,039
Pfister hotel in Milwaukee oh man it is

944
00:43:28,329 --> 00:43:24,829
it is one of our most beautiful hotels

945
00:43:31,329 --> 00:43:28,339
it was built in 1893 and it's probably

946
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:31,339
Milwaukee's best-known haunted location

947
00:43:38,829 --> 00:43:35,210
and this is because it keeps making the

948
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:38,839
papers with these these stories of

949
00:43:43,569 --> 00:43:41,450
Charles Pfister and and who is he

950
00:43:49,329 --> 00:43:43,579
terrorizing he's terrorizing major

951
00:43:51,609 --> 00:43:49,339
league baseball players and okay so this

952
00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:51,619
this story goes back a little bit

953
00:43:57,489 --> 00:43:54,140
further though because many witnesses

954
00:44:00,430 --> 00:43:57,499
have reported seeing Charles Pfister the

955
00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:00,440
the founder of the Pfister hotel in the

956
00:44:07,989 --> 00:44:03,710
hotel since around the time when he died

957
00:44:11,319 --> 00:44:07,999
of natural causes in 1927 so they have

958
00:44:14,829 --> 00:44:11,329
seen him though appearing on the the

959
00:44:17,049 --> 00:44:14,839
grand staircase above the lobby and

960
00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:17,059
they've seen him strolling in the

961
00:44:22,460 --> 00:44:20,520
gallery in the minstrels ballroom

962
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:22,470
they've seen him even writing the

963
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:27,210
elevator now people that used to know

964
00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:29,910
Charles Pfister who worked there really

965
00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:31,740
had a fondness for him and everybody

966
00:44:38,109 --> 00:44:34,500
called him uncle Charlie so these early

967
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:38,119
reports that you know go back decades

968
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:42,450
really talk about this this gentlemanly

969
00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:45,599
figure who is just overseeing the

970
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:47,880
hospitality of the hotel and then in

971
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:52,530
2001 that all changes when Adrian Beltre

972
00:44:57,620 --> 00:44:55,049
of the LA Dodgers stays there one night

973
00:45:01,280 --> 00:44:57,630
with his team they came in late after a

974
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:01,290
game and he said that pretty much as

975
00:45:06,349 --> 00:45:03,690
soon as he got to the room there was a

976
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:06,359
pounding coming down the hallway and

977
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:08,609
then on his door but you know major

978
00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:10,530
league players do haze each other and

979
00:45:14,930 --> 00:45:12,510
you know there's kids around who might

980
00:45:16,609 --> 00:45:14,940
be getting into submission if you don't

981
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,619
know so he didn't think anything of that

982
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:18,720
and then he just decided that he was

983
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:21,599
gonna kick back and relax so he put on

984
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:24,720
the TV turned up the air conditioner but

985
00:45:29,690 --> 00:45:27,119
he couldn't get any rest because the air

986
00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:29,700
conditioner and the TV repeatedly

987
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:32,760
switched itself off and at some point he

988
00:45:37,339 --> 00:45:34,319
had just had enough and decided well I'm

989
00:45:40,220 --> 00:45:37,349
just gonna go to bed and as he laid down

990
00:45:42,460 --> 00:45:40,230
and started to just you know that that

991
00:45:45,260 --> 00:45:42,470
that moment when you're almost gone

992
00:45:48,380 --> 00:45:45,270
drifting off to sleep pound pound pound

993
00:45:50,539 --> 00:45:48,390
would come behind the headboard so it

994
00:45:52,549 --> 00:45:50,549
was like somebody would not let him

995
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:52,559
sleep because he claimed that this went

996
00:45:57,710 --> 00:45:55,920
on for the continuously you know

997
00:46:01,039 --> 00:45:57,720
whenever he tried to drift off to sleep

998
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:01,049
he would hear this racket behind his

999
00:46:06,260 --> 00:46:03,450
headboard that would startle him awake

1000
00:46:08,780 --> 00:46:06,270
and that this went on for that those

1001
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:08,790
three nights and he only was able to get

1002
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,839
two hours of sleep and he was quite

1003
00:46:16,849 --> 00:46:15,119
upset too when he got some ribbing from

1004
00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:16,859
his teammates when they discovered that

1005
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:19,500
he had begun taking a bat to bed with

1006
00:46:26,359 --> 00:46:24,480
him for protection so since then this

1007
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,369
was reported in Sports Illustrated in

1008
00:46:32,650 --> 00:46:29,280
2001 and since then there have just been

1009
00:46:34,510 --> 00:46:32,660
so many stories about

1010
00:46:36,220 --> 00:46:34,520
the haunting at the Pfister hotel from

1011
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:36,230
major league baseball players that it's

1012
00:46:43,150 --> 00:46:38,330
really over shall shadow at any other

1013
00:46:45,730 --> 00:46:43,160
reports from the hotel and it there's a

1014
00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:45,740
book called a field of screams which is

1015
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,390
a great book about haunted baseball and

1016
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:51,920
they have a whole chapter in there about

1017
00:46:57,730 --> 00:46:55,280
the Pfister hotel that's so cool you

1018
00:47:01,330 --> 00:46:57,740
know in yeah you have to wonder like is

1019
00:47:05,970 --> 00:47:01,340
there is this their way of trying to

1020
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:05,980
make the visiting team lose the next day

1021
00:47:11,140 --> 00:47:09,050
joke about that obviously Charles

1022
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:11,150
Pfister is a big fan of the Milwaukee

1023
00:47:16,510 --> 00:47:14,450
Brewers he's using a spiritual influence

1024
00:47:19,630 --> 00:47:16,520
to make sure the other team loses yeah

1025
00:47:21,340 --> 00:47:19,640
but actually I'm gonna level with you

1026
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:21,350
okay that's a joke

1027
00:47:27,220 --> 00:47:24,170
and it gets a big laugh on the tour

1028
00:47:31,180 --> 00:47:27,230
every time and I used to tell the real

1029
00:47:34,030 --> 00:47:31,190
story but then I felt like okay Ryan

1030
00:47:36,310 --> 00:47:34,040
when I when I find a story that nobody

1031
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:36,320
else has reported on I feel personally

1032
00:47:42,910 --> 00:47:40,640
connected to it and I feel sympathy for

1033
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:42,920
the people that were involved you know

1034
00:47:49,390 --> 00:47:45,920
or empathy more it more like more likely

1035
00:47:52,180 --> 00:47:49,400
and so there there was something that

1036
00:47:54,580 --> 00:47:52,190
happened at the Pfister hotel in I'm

1037
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:54,590
just gonna be vague in the 1980s that I

1038
00:47:59,290 --> 00:47:57,440
think might be connected now I I joke

1039
00:48:01,330 --> 00:47:59,300
about Charles Pfister and for a while I

1040
00:48:03,220 --> 00:48:01,340
did tell the real story on the tour but

1041
00:48:05,380 --> 00:48:03,230
then I thought well you know what I

1042
00:48:07,810 --> 00:48:05,390
don't know if I'm really respecting the

1043
00:48:08,830 --> 00:48:07,820
memory of this person so I'm just gonna

1044
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:08,840
keep in the joke

1045
00:48:14,050 --> 00:48:12,050
and so now I'm working in a book and in

1046
00:48:16,750 --> 00:48:14,060
the book I felt like you know I should

1047
00:48:18,550 --> 00:48:16,760
come clean and tell the real story so

1048
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:18,560
it's weird you know I don't make things

1049
00:48:24,430 --> 00:48:21,680
up but like you know sometimes I feel to

1050
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:24,440
be respectful to the spirits he got hold

1051
00:48:33,580 --> 00:48:29,450
things back I get that yeah so in in the

1052
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:33,590
1980s there was a very disturbed young

1053
00:48:40,690 --> 00:48:36,800
man who thought that he was gonna lose

1054
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:40,700
his job and he he had had you know

1055
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:44,690
mental issues in the past and he rented

1056
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:45,690
a room at

1057
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:51,210
Fister hotel and he decided that that

1058
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:53,730
was it he wrote in his suicide note and

1059
00:49:00,250 --> 00:48:57,810
he crawled out onto the ledge outside of

1060
00:49:05,540 --> 00:49:00,260
his window and he just kept crawling

1061
00:49:10,990 --> 00:49:05,550
until he fall down fall down many many

1062
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:11,000
stories and died now he happened to fall

1063
00:49:19,580 --> 00:49:16,170
onto a Ledge that was outside another

1064
00:49:23,690 --> 00:49:19,590
hotel room and in the hotel room were

1065
00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:23,700
two players from the Minnesota Twins now

1066
00:49:31,630 --> 00:49:27,420
at some point they recognized that there

1067
00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:31,640
was this person out on the ledge and

1068
00:49:37,340 --> 00:49:34,740
they thought it was some drunk that on a

1069
00:49:40,130 --> 00:49:37,350
lark had crawled out onto the ledge and

1070
00:49:43,850 --> 00:49:40,140
so they opened the window and they were

1071
00:49:45,530 --> 00:49:43,860
calling out to him and you can imagine

1072
00:49:48,260 --> 00:49:45,540
some of the things that might have been

1073
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:48,270
said you know because they thought he

1074
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:49,920
was a drunk they didn't know about the

1075
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:52,850
tragedy that had just unfolded yeah and

1076
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:55,200
one of the players actually was like

1077
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:57,960
well I'm going out there and I almost

1078
00:50:02,690 --> 00:50:00,720
crawled on onto the ledge to get the guy

1079
00:50:04,610 --> 00:50:02,700
but then cooler heads did prevail and

1080
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:04,620
they called authorities and then at that

1081
00:50:09,950 --> 00:50:07,610
point you know not till much later than

1082
00:50:11,540 --> 00:50:09,960
did they find out what had actually

1083
00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:11,550
happened hmm

1084
00:50:18,530 --> 00:50:16,920
now to me that seems more connected to

1085
00:50:23,300 --> 00:50:18,540
Major League Baseball than Charles

1086
00:50:26,060 --> 00:50:23,310
Pfister and yeah perhaps the thing

1087
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:26,070
that's going on here is that you know

1088
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:29,730
that that person who had died or was in

1089
00:50:35,330 --> 00:50:32,490
the process of dying you know some

1090
00:50:37,460 --> 00:50:35,340
somehow was entrained on these major

1091
00:50:39,110 --> 00:50:37,470
league players perhaps because of

1092
00:50:41,930 --> 00:50:39,120
something that was said you know it's

1093
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:41,940
unknown why why somebody haunts but you

1094
00:50:46,190 --> 00:50:43,410
know certainly there's an emotional

1095
00:50:49,610 --> 00:50:46,200
connection there so the other thing that

1096
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:49,620
I found from my investigations of the

1097
00:50:56,380 --> 00:50:53,610
Pfister hotel is that most of the major

1098
00:50:59,150 --> 00:50:56,390
league baseball players sightings or

1099
00:51:01,220 --> 00:50:59,160
experiences actually happen

1100
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:01,230
in the newer part of the hotel which was

1101
00:51:08,300 --> 00:51:05,040
added on in the 1960s and that's where

1102
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:08,310
the suicide occurred okay okay Wow

1103
00:51:15,110 --> 00:51:11,490
that's generally reported okay so I

1104
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:15,120
could imagine no hotel yeah yeah you got

1105
00:51:20,330 --> 00:51:17,970
so yeah the old hotel you would think

1106
00:51:22,850 --> 00:51:20,340
that's where Charles Pfister went reside

1107
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:22,860
because that's where he he lived in life

1108
00:51:30,020 --> 00:51:27,090
until his death in 1927 but yeah like

1109
00:51:31,250 --> 00:51:30,030
what would cause a haunting of the tower

1110
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:31,260
yeah and

1111
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:33,810
looks like I found it that's see that's

1112
00:51:37,970 --> 00:51:36,450
wonderful research Allison I mean like

1113
00:51:40,340 --> 00:51:37,980
you said we would think it would come

1114
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:40,350
from the older part with more history

1115
00:51:46,460 --> 00:51:42,810
but this clearly this suicide is an

1116
00:51:48,830 --> 00:51:46,470
unresolved issue you know with the the

1117
00:51:50,780 --> 00:51:48,840
people involved obviously and something

1118
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:50,790
I would assume the hotel would not want

1119
00:51:55,820 --> 00:51:54,240
out to the public all right we and I was

1120
00:51:59,950 --> 00:51:55,830
just gonna say we have changed that

1121
00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:59,960
today on an ITF auxilary um but I

1122
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,160
appreciate you telling us that because

1123
00:52:08,270 --> 00:52:05,040
like you said um the honest truth behind

1124
00:52:09,830 --> 00:52:08,280
these stories it's is what is going to

1125
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:09,840
make us respect the research or even

1126
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:12,570
more so no I appreciate that well

1127
00:52:17,900 --> 00:52:15,330
something else another sort of exclusive

1128
00:52:20,420 --> 00:52:17,910
that you have brought forth in your

1129
00:52:24,590 --> 00:52:20,430
presentations is the idea that a ghost

1130
00:52:27,230 --> 00:52:24,600
can actually leave footprints oh yeah

1131
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:27,240
this is very interesting we hear

1132
00:52:31,850 --> 00:52:28,890
sometimes of residual effects of a

1133
00:52:33,620 --> 00:52:31,860
haunting but a footprint of you got to

1134
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:33,630
tell me more about this uh so what

1135
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:37,680
happened in 1924 okay so this 1924 case

1136
00:52:46,910 --> 00:52:41,490
I found it in the old newspapers of

1137
00:52:49,610 --> 00:52:46,920
course it was written up in many many

1138
00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:49,620
different newspapers during that time

1139
00:52:58,060 --> 00:52:53,910
and it involves the household of miss

1140
00:53:02,210 --> 00:52:58,070
Minnie plants now Miss Minnie

1141
00:53:04,190 --> 00:53:02,220
she lived kind of in a part of the city

1142
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:04,200
that wasn't very well developed so she

1143
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:06,540
was a little bit at that time it was it

1144
00:53:13,730 --> 00:53:09,650
was a little bit remote and she started

1145
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:13,740
experiencing these strange phenomena

1146
00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:18,930
we're at night the house just erupted in

1147
00:53:23,690 --> 00:53:21,240
racket there was no way to get any sleep

1148
00:53:26,690 --> 00:53:23,700
because of the pounding a constant

1149
00:53:30,049 --> 00:53:26,700
pounding and shaking in the house now

1150
00:53:33,370 --> 00:53:30,059
then her son-in-law was grabbed by

1151
00:53:39,140 --> 00:53:33,380
invisible hands on one occasion and

1152
00:53:42,170 --> 00:53:39,150
severely beaten and so she decided oh

1153
00:53:45,260 --> 00:53:42,180
man I've got to do something and what

1154
00:53:48,099 --> 00:53:45,270
are you gonna do you call the cops so

1155
00:53:50,780 --> 00:53:48,109
she called in police and they did

1156
00:53:53,630 --> 00:53:50,790
several police officers did experience

1157
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:53,640
seeing weird lights that seemed to

1158
00:53:59,599 --> 00:53:55,920
emanate from the ground and then then

1159
00:54:01,849 --> 00:53:59,609
rise up over the roof and disappear and

1160
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:01,859
they also heard the mysterious wrappings

1161
00:54:09,319 --> 00:54:06,170
and then when officers were at the scene

1162
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:09,329
they were unable to catch any

1163
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:12,480
perpetrator of this nightly harassment

1164
00:54:17,210 --> 00:54:15,119
but but they did see that the strange

1165
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:17,220
events did indeed repeat themselves and

1166
00:54:23,140 --> 00:54:20,760
on one occasion outside of the house

1167
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:23,150
they did notice these very large

1168
00:54:31,220 --> 00:54:27,359
footprints it was a actually a size 11

1169
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:31,230
ee footprint in the snow and so in some

1170
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:34,049
kind of cinderelly and type hunt they

1171
00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:36,780
did go around the neighborhood going

1172
00:54:43,309 --> 00:54:38,940
door-to-door trying to find the

1173
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:43,319
perpetrator with these big beat Wow they

1174
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:46,170
did not they were not able to you know

1175
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:48,450
find anyone and whose feet match that

1176
00:54:55,819 --> 00:54:53,490
description now of course after this you

1177
00:54:57,740 --> 00:54:55,829
know the investigation came to an end I

1178
00:54:59,450 --> 00:54:57,750
mean it was inconclusive there's nothing

1179
00:55:01,370 --> 00:54:59,460
more that they could do they can't find

1180
00:55:03,620 --> 00:55:01,380
a perpetrator they're seeing these

1181
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:03,630
strange things but there's no way to you

1182
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,690
know document that really I mean there's

1183
00:55:13,069 --> 00:55:09,119
nothing you can do so they stopped

1184
00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:13,079
coming and Minnie and her family was

1185
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,740
just left alone and so that was the end

1186
00:55:21,620 --> 00:55:18,480
of the story for me for a while because

1187
00:55:24,170 --> 00:55:21,630
you know I couldn't find any more

1188
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:24,180
articles or any more information and

1189
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:25,710
that's the most frustrating part of the

1190
00:55:28,750 --> 00:55:26,720
research is that you

1191
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:28,760
get you know some tantalizing tidbits

1192
00:55:34,420 --> 00:55:31,010
and then you really want the rest of the

1193
00:55:36,370 --> 00:55:34,430
story so in this case though I did get

1194
00:55:37,930 --> 00:55:36,380
the rest of the story because I blogged

1195
00:55:42,250 --> 00:55:37,940
about it okay

1196
00:55:47,020 --> 00:55:42,260
years later someone in the plants family

1197
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:47,030
was doing some genealogical research and

1198
00:55:52,660 --> 00:55:49,490
he was just googling different names of

1199
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:52,670
his of his family members and lo and

1200
00:55:58,960 --> 00:55:55,040
behold he finds my blog article of

1201
00:56:02,710 --> 00:55:58,970
course and he calls me and he tells me

1202
00:56:06,430 --> 00:56:02,720
that he's just shocked because he knew

1203
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:06,440
that something went on in his family but

1204
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:10,010
it was always kept hush-hush about about

1205
00:56:18,010 --> 00:56:12,410
Oh aunt Minnie wasn't she crazy

1206
00:56:21,609 --> 00:56:18,020
yeah but he he dug a little deeper into

1207
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:21,619
it and was able to find out some things

1208
00:56:27,970 --> 00:56:26,000
that were really startling to me so as I

1209
00:56:29,890 --> 00:56:27,980
was able to provide for him he never

1210
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:29,900
knew that the police were involved but

1211
00:56:32,859 --> 00:56:31,250
he did know that there were these

1212
00:56:34,980 --> 00:56:32,869
strange wrappings that would keep

1213
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:34,990
everyone up in the house all night long

1214
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:38,089
because of course many was always

1215
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:41,599
terrified and she would try to get

1216
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:44,960
members of her family to stay overnight

1217
00:56:53,290 --> 00:56:49,130
with her as she aged and was left alone

1218
00:56:55,810 --> 00:56:53,300
and so of course family members would

1219
00:56:59,920 --> 00:56:55,820
would try to oblige but when you have a

1220
00:57:02,589 --> 00:56:59,930
full-time job you cannot be in a

1221
00:57:05,260 --> 00:57:02,599
situation where you're kept up every

1222
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:05,270
night all night long and so they were

1223
00:57:12,220 --> 00:57:09,650
only able to do that for a few days at a

1224
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:12,230
time and most of the time she was left

1225
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:16,730
alone with this terror now the

1226
00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:18,770
interesting thing this relative was able

1227
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:23,030
to tell me was that Minnie had had a

1228
00:57:30,370 --> 00:57:27,050
very very tumultuous abusive

1229
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:30,380
relationship with her husband who had

1230
00:57:37,710 --> 00:57:32,930
died some 10 years before these events

1231
00:57:39,980 --> 00:57:37,720
were recorded so but he felt that really

1232
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:39,990
this was

1233
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,330
her husband coming back to terrorize her

1234
00:57:48,290 --> 00:57:44,640
and it's not knowing why there's this

1235
00:57:52,430 --> 00:57:48,300
gap in in the appearance of of the

1236
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:52,440
specter but you know perhaps it's just

1237
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:55,770
because on that side you know time is

1238
00:58:02,420 --> 00:57:59,520
different than it is here but he really

1239
00:58:05,300 --> 00:58:02,430
feels that this was this was minis

1240
00:58:09,650 --> 00:58:05,310
husband coming back to terrorize her and

1241
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:09,660
abuse her even after death and he told

1242
00:58:18,380 --> 00:58:12,570
me that what were the size of this

1243
00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:18,390
husband shoes 11 he II know so for me

1244
00:58:22,790 --> 00:58:20,910
that that was excited just you know I

1245
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:22,800
wish that would happen every time right

1246
00:58:27,890 --> 00:58:25,290
yeah well I mean that goes to show like

1247
00:58:31,220 --> 00:58:27,900
the the you know with the advent of the

1248
00:58:33,980 --> 00:58:31,230
internet and it just increases the

1249
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:33,990
exposure and I I would assume helps your

1250
00:58:37,609 --> 00:58:36,090
research in connecting with people who

1251
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:37,619
might be involved with these things like

1252
00:58:42,260 --> 00:58:39,290
you said yeah you found

1253
00:58:45,260 --> 00:58:42,270
immediate family you know though distant

1254
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:45,270
in decades of these people so that's

1255
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:47,040
right that's incredible to me that

1256
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:48,900
you're able to trace back that far and

1257
00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:53,040
that forward with a case so Wow

1258
00:58:59,210 --> 00:58:56,310
footprints of a ghost you're right yeah

1259
00:59:01,340 --> 00:58:59,220
so you don't you don't normally think of

1260
00:59:03,620 --> 00:59:01,350
you know ghosts leaving footprints but

1261
00:59:06,020 --> 00:59:03,630
in this case they did that was one of

1262
00:59:10,010 --> 00:59:06,030
the phenomena give it up man like the

1263
00:59:15,940 --> 00:59:10,020
terrorizing it's over you've moved she's

1264
00:59:18,620 --> 00:59:15,950
moved on right so I'm gonna say I guess

1265
00:59:20,930 --> 00:59:18,630
sort of um you know we've covered a lot

1266
00:59:24,609 --> 00:59:20,940
about the supernatural Allison but you

1267
00:59:27,530 --> 00:59:24,619
have other very interesting interests

1268
00:59:30,380 --> 00:59:27,540
one is that of Charles fort and the idea

1269
00:59:33,620 --> 00:59:30,390
of for Tia now this is something I I

1270
00:59:36,830 --> 00:59:33,630
don't know much about my co-hosts

1271
00:59:39,170 --> 00:59:36,840
certainly do so I kind of wanted to

1272
00:59:42,349 --> 00:59:39,180
cover that with you today you know what

1273
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:42,359
is the idea of 14 and who was Charles

1274
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:45,090
port charles fort was an early 20th

1275
00:59:51,050 --> 00:59:47,609
century writer and researcher and he

1276
00:59:52,059 --> 00:59:51,060
searched tirelessly the the resources of

1277
00:59:54,939 --> 00:59:52,069
the new

1278
00:59:59,009 --> 00:59:54,949
York Public Library's where you can

1279
01:00:02,589 --> 00:59:59,019
visit probably today if you wanted to so

1280
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:02,599
that was his thing he he was so

1281
01:00:08,890 --> 01:00:06,319
interested in finding weird tales for

1282
01:00:11,380 --> 01:00:08,900
which science didn't have an answer he

1283
01:00:13,479 --> 01:00:11,390
saw himself as like this confounder of

1284
01:00:18,130 --> 01:00:13,489
science and love to throw the

1285
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:18,140
unexplained in the faces of skeptics and

1286
01:00:25,499 --> 01:00:20,569
what a right yeah

1287
01:00:29,799 --> 01:00:25,509
so I really admire that about him and

1288
01:00:33,939 --> 01:00:29,809
for Dianna then named after Charles fort

1289
01:00:38,140 --> 01:00:33,949
is a collection of oddities that don't

1290
01:00:42,189 --> 01:00:38,150
make sense or defy explanation so it's

1291
01:00:46,569 --> 01:00:42,199
anything from ghosts to UFOs to crypto

1292
01:00:48,670 --> 01:00:46,579
creatures anything unusual strange rain

1293
01:00:52,650 --> 01:00:48,680
that that's something that that he's

1294
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:52,660
known for like rains of fish and frogs

1295
01:01:02,189 --> 01:00:57,680
that have been have been recorded over

1296
01:01:06,849 --> 01:01:02,199
the centuries so he wrote four books and

1297
01:01:09,699 --> 01:01:06,859
he was somebody that that I try to be

1298
01:01:12,670 --> 01:01:09,709
like because you know as I said in the

1299
01:01:15,849 --> 01:01:12,680
beginning of the broadcast I I'm not

1300
01:01:19,329 --> 01:01:15,859
your typical researcher in that you know

1301
01:01:21,189 --> 01:01:19,339
I'm not about the gadgets although

1302
01:01:24,249 --> 01:01:21,199
gadgets are cool I love gadgets I love

1303
01:01:28,089 --> 01:01:24,259
technology but that's not my forte and

1304
01:01:32,519 --> 01:01:28,099
and neither is neither is the the

1305
01:01:35,229 --> 01:01:32,529
metaphysical because I for a long time

1306
01:01:36,969 --> 01:01:35,239
have felt very skeptical about the

1307
01:01:40,449 --> 01:01:36,979
paranormal because there is so much

1308
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:40,459
fraud and there is so many people who

1309
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:43,599
who just want to believe beyond reason

1310
01:01:50,769 --> 01:01:48,890
so I've been in a skeptical place you

1311
01:01:53,739 --> 01:01:50,779
know that's changed of late I gotta say

1312
01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:53,749
I've had experiences which have have

1313
01:02:00,999 --> 01:01:58,130
made me re-evaluate but the kind of

1314
01:02:01,509 --> 01:02:01,009
research researcher I am is like Charles

1315
01:02:03,579 --> 01:02:01,519
forked

1316
01:02:05,140 --> 01:02:03,589
I mean I'm looking for these strange

1317
01:02:07,450 --> 01:02:05,150
stories that have

1318
01:02:09,009 --> 01:02:07,460
explanation in the past and and trying

1319
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:09,019
to bring them into the future to see

1320
01:02:16,269 --> 01:02:11,930
what might be revealed very interesting

1321
01:02:20,380 --> 01:02:16,279
now are there any I guess crypto

1322
01:02:23,259 --> 01:02:20,390
creatures or cases in specific that you

1323
01:02:25,870 --> 01:02:23,269
they are just yours you know how I mean

1324
01:02:29,140 --> 01:02:25,880
here in the UFO realm the 1980

1325
01:02:32,650 --> 01:02:29,150
Rendlesham case is like my my Golden

1326
01:02:35,289 --> 01:02:32,660
Calf I worship it'll always be a part of

1327
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:35,299
my life um are there any sort of like

1328
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:38,720
Dover demons or you know West Virginia

1329
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:41,930
Mothman in your life that really keep

1330
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:45,680
you going all the time well oh man

1331
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:47,599
there's just so much Ryan I mean it's

1332
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:50,690
it's really hard for me to you know peg

1333
01:02:56,049 --> 01:02:53,200
one or two things I mean we talked about

1334
01:02:59,019 --> 01:02:56,059
we talked about a little Raymond I mean

1335
01:03:01,809 --> 01:02:59,029
that that really yeah is something

1336
01:03:03,609 --> 01:03:01,819
that's stuck with me and there are there

1337
01:03:10,089 --> 01:03:03,619
are creatures here there there's stories

1338
01:03:13,989 --> 01:03:10,099
of a lake monster on Lake Michigan that

1339
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:13,999
go go back to the 1890s there are of

1340
01:03:20,049 --> 01:03:16,970
course you know all the reports of in

1341
01:03:23,049 --> 01:03:20,059
Wisconsin of of the Bray Road Beast

1342
01:03:25,180 --> 01:03:23,059
which my friend Linda Godfrey is the

1343
01:03:28,029 --> 01:03:25,190
head researcher on you know she's really

1344
01:03:31,329 --> 01:03:28,039
brought us a lot of great great books

1345
01:03:34,299 --> 01:03:31,339
about that that werewolf type creature

1346
01:03:37,089 --> 01:03:34,309
and you know I I know one person that

1347
01:03:40,349 --> 01:03:37,099
did did claim to to see him in the city

1348
01:03:45,309 --> 01:03:40,359
here but that seems to be an isolated

1349
01:03:49,289 --> 01:03:45,319
report Heather I think for me like

1350
01:03:53,650 --> 01:03:49,299
there's so many compelling ghost stories

1351
01:03:55,390 --> 01:03:53,660
that nobody knows about um so so that

1352
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:55,400
does it for me there's oh there's the

1353
01:04:00,099 --> 01:03:57,170
airship we didn't talk about the airship

1354
01:04:03,220 --> 01:04:00,109
we take not we as a UFO investigator we

1355
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:03,230
have to so yeah right yeah so on the

1356
01:04:10,989 --> 01:04:06,410
night of April 11th in 1897 and around 8

1357
01:04:14,460 --> 01:04:10,999
p.m. Milwaukee had a visitation of of

1358
01:04:17,289 --> 01:04:14,470
something strange in the sky and this

1359
01:04:19,030 --> 01:04:17,299
mysterious object passed over the city

1360
01:04:21,070 --> 01:04:19,040
that night and

1361
01:04:22,810 --> 01:04:21,080
people called it the airship because the

1362
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:22,820
the term flying saucer wouldn't be

1363
01:04:28,930 --> 01:04:26,480
coined for another 50 years and the way

1364
01:04:31,740 --> 01:04:28,940
it was described by a police officer

1365
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:31,750
who's who saw it while standing on

1366
01:04:44,020 --> 01:04:41,050
over congested in groups so one of our

1367
01:04:48,010 --> 01:04:44,030
streets which does run through the Third

1368
01:04:50,020 --> 01:04:48,020
Ward and downtown he described this

1369
01:04:52,300 --> 01:04:50,030
airship as looking like four bright

1370
01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:52,310
stars put together and it flashed red

1371
01:04:58,270 --> 01:04:56,240
and white and green and of course you

1372
01:05:00,640 --> 01:04:58,280
know people cry tried to discount this

1373
01:05:03,550 --> 01:05:00,650
there was even a local astronomer that

1374
01:05:07,030 --> 01:05:03,560
was like oh the airship was only a star

1375
01:05:08,890 --> 01:05:07,040
but but to the police man and other

1376
01:05:11,970 --> 01:05:08,900
people that have seen it they were like

1377
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:11,980
while a star doesn't dip and Bob and and

1378
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:14,210
produce you know what we would call

1379
01:05:20,730 --> 01:05:16,610
today these extraordinary aeronautical

1380
01:05:24,130 --> 01:05:20,740
feats that you know UFOs are known for

1381
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:24,140
so other people like there's a central

1382
01:05:32,980 --> 01:05:27,410
police lieutenant that claimed that that

1383
01:05:35,830 --> 01:05:32,990
the airship must be this a hoax a hoax

1384
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:35,840
that it was like some kind of lantern

1385
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:38,240
that they were flying on a kite from the

1386
01:05:44,050 --> 01:05:40,810
North Point Lighthouse grounds now

1387
01:05:45,970 --> 01:05:44,060
that's crazy because you know if you're

1388
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:45,980
local you know that's just miles and

1389
01:05:52,420 --> 01:05:49,010
miles away and you know how could you at

1390
01:05:55,150 --> 01:05:52,430
that time have some kind of light strung

1391
01:05:59,140 --> 01:05:55,160
out on two miles of string I mean it is

1392
01:06:02,170 --> 01:05:59,150
right it just stretches credulity now

1393
01:06:05,350 --> 01:06:02,180
the airship later on that night passed

1394
01:06:08,350 --> 01:06:05,360
over the city of Sheboygan and so then

1395
01:06:14,250 --> 01:06:08,360
any explanations you know of it being

1396
01:06:17,700 --> 01:06:14,260
some kind of hoax or you know a star are

1397
01:06:21,250 --> 01:06:17,710
really really don't don't cut it and

1398
01:06:27,130 --> 01:06:21,260
then when you look into the accounts

1399
01:06:32,829 --> 01:06:27,140
from that year and and from 1896 as well

1400
01:06:35,620 --> 01:06:32,839
so this was 1897 in 1896 this airship

1401
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:35,630
phenomena started to be experienced all

1402
01:06:42,700 --> 01:06:38,809
over the United States where the strange

1403
01:06:45,789 --> 01:06:42,710
craft was seen and you know this was the

1404
01:06:50,109 --> 01:06:45,799
su ISM this was like six years before

1405
01:06:51,999 --> 01:06:50,119
the Wright brothers so nobody knows what

1406
01:06:54,940 --> 01:06:52,009
it could have been I mean they had

1407
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:54,950
balloons they had Zeppelin's at the time

1408
01:07:00,700 --> 01:06:58,160
but they weren't able to produce these

1409
01:07:04,420 --> 01:07:00,710
these dazzling aerial feats that that

1410
01:07:06,759 --> 01:07:04,430
were described so this this airship

1411
01:07:09,549 --> 01:07:06,769
phenomenon is is something that that

1412
01:07:13,329 --> 01:07:09,559
still defies explanation to this day

1413
01:07:16,329 --> 01:07:13,339
yeah yeah the airship mystery is um you

1414
01:07:19,359 --> 01:07:16,339
know it's sort of touted as the the

1415
01:07:22,059 --> 01:07:19,369
antiquity of UFO events before the

1416
01:07:24,759 --> 01:07:22,069
modern UFO era of Roswell Kenneth Arnold

1417
01:07:28,329 --> 01:07:24,769
um but like you said this thing had

1418
01:07:30,549 --> 01:07:28,339
lights flashing on it even the Wright

1419
01:07:33,969 --> 01:07:30,559
brothers weren't using lights on their

1420
01:07:36,370 --> 01:07:33,979
their their prototypes at that time see

1421
01:07:37,660 --> 01:07:36,380
right you truly have to wonder um I'm

1422
01:07:40,059 --> 01:07:37,670
going to sort of put you on the spot

1423
01:07:43,180 --> 01:07:40,069
here Ellis and are there any other UFO

1424
01:07:44,620 --> 01:07:43,190
cases in your area that are of keen

1425
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:44,630
interest to you or that you have

1426
01:07:50,410 --> 01:07:47,450
personally hurt reports of oh definitely

1427
01:07:54,459 --> 01:07:50,420
so another one that I'm fascinated with

1428
01:07:58,809 --> 01:07:54,469
is the connection to UFOs with the

1429
01:08:03,039 --> 01:07:58,819
unfortunate disaster that occurred in

1430
01:08:07,870 --> 01:08:03,049
1950 June 25th 1950 North West Airlines

1431
01:08:12,249 --> 01:08:07,880
flight 2501 disappeared that night over

1432
01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:12,259
Lake Michigan and right and so it's it's

1433
01:08:22,209 --> 01:08:16,159
last contact was was with the Milwaukee

1434
01:08:24,490 --> 01:08:22,219
Airport now it was on its way from NYC

1435
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:24,500
where you aren't to Seattle and then it

1436
01:08:29,649 --> 01:08:26,449
just disappeared over Lake Michigan and

1437
01:08:33,300 --> 01:08:29,659
and 58 people and the aircraft are still

1438
01:08:36,519 --> 01:08:33,310
missing now that's kind of like our

1439
01:08:40,990 --> 01:08:36,529
mh370 but nobody even remembers that it

1440
01:08:43,599 --> 01:08:41,000
seems and all right so were there

1441
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:43,609
remains found yes there were some

1442
01:08:51,749 --> 01:08:46,210
remains of humans found but no full

1443
01:08:56,809 --> 01:08:51,759
body and no no fuselage no parts of the

1444
01:09:00,720 --> 01:08:56,819
plane were found what was found was just

1445
01:09:04,769 --> 01:09:00,730
actually splinters of things kind of

1446
01:09:09,660 --> 01:09:04,779
people and so we won't go into the gory

1447
01:09:12,930 --> 01:09:09,670
details there but but no no full body

1448
01:09:14,970 --> 01:09:12,940
and and no plane wreckage was ever found

1449
01:09:19,019 --> 01:09:14,980
and they're still searching for it to

1450
01:09:22,110 --> 01:09:19,029
this day now I had heard a little

1451
01:09:23,070 --> 01:09:22,120
something about hey it wasn't it wasn't

1452
01:09:25,950 --> 01:09:23,080
there

1453
01:09:29,610 --> 01:09:25,960
you know some Coast Guard that they went

1454
01:09:34,440 --> 01:09:29,620
out off of Milwaukee and you know they

1455
01:09:37,740 --> 01:09:34,450
saw some strange lights in the sky that

1456
01:09:41,940 --> 01:09:37,750
night in in the direction of you know

1457
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:41,950
where the plane would have gone down now

1458
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:44,650
so they essentially were reporting a UFO

1459
01:09:47,519 --> 01:09:46,719
and I thought oh well that's that's

1460
01:09:50,430 --> 01:09:47,529
pretty cool

1461
01:09:51,930 --> 01:09:50,440
but then I was like well is there

1462
01:09:54,740 --> 01:09:51,940
something to this and you know could

1463
01:10:01,410 --> 01:09:54,750
could there have been a crash between

1464
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:01,420
the UFO and an airliner and I was

1465
01:10:07,140 --> 01:10:05,530
startled at finding the articles you

1466
01:10:09,630 --> 01:10:07,150
know how many articles there were from

1467
01:10:11,700 --> 01:10:09,640
that night all around the country of

1468
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:11,710
people reporting strange things in the

1469
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:15,370
sky so it wasn't just that you know one

1470
01:10:19,709 --> 01:10:17,770
local report that I've heard of but

1471
01:10:23,070 --> 01:10:19,719
there were strange lights and craft

1472
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:23,080
reported pretty much everywhere across

1473
01:10:29,130 --> 01:10:25,810
the country that night and to me that

1474
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:29,140
it's just I was like I can't even

1475
01:10:35,550 --> 01:10:30,610
believe I'm finding all these articles

1476
01:10:38,060 --> 01:10:35,560
yeah um from that fateful from hours

1477
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:38,070
around that fateful event yeah and then

1478
01:10:45,959 --> 01:10:42,489
so I also found that that Donald Kehoe

1479
01:10:48,690 --> 01:10:45,969
who you know was the the founder of

1480
01:10:50,370 --> 01:10:48,700
NICAP the National investigated invasion

1481
01:10:55,440 --> 01:10:50,380
investigations committee it's a big

1482
01:10:59,459 --> 01:10:55,450
mouth they're always like am i oh yeah

1483
01:11:00,450 --> 01:10:59,469
yeah every UFO organization always has

1484
01:11:02,580 --> 01:11:00,460
like the biggest

1485
01:11:05,730 --> 01:11:02,590
bring him in the world it's like guys I

1486
01:11:09,390 --> 01:11:05,740
can't say it clearly but anyway some

1487
01:11:13,950 --> 01:11:09,400
nightcap it was founded by a former

1488
01:11:15,870 --> 01:11:13,960
Marine Corps naval a naval aide aviator

1489
01:11:18,750 --> 01:11:15,880
can we say aviator right now aviator

1490
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:18,760
noon ochio who if you know anything

1491
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:22,330
about ufos was a huge figure in in the

1492
01:11:35,250 --> 01:11:27,610
UFO field and he interviewed an Air

1493
01:11:39,480 --> 01:11:35,260
Force captain who had after the NNW 2501

1494
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:39,490
crash felt that something weird was

1495
01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:42,250
going on there and and he he said to

1496
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:45,760
Kehoe that here's the quote there have

1497
01:11:50,670 --> 01:11:48,250
been some particular or some peculiar

1498
01:11:53,190 --> 01:11:50,680
crashes the last few years

1499
01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:53,200
and he said you know take that Northwest

1500
01:12:01,290 --> 01:11:55,450
Airlines DC for that went into Lake

1501
01:12:04,380 --> 01:12:01,300
Michigan so nothing has ever been found

1502
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:04,390
to show what exactly happened to that

1503
01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:07,570
ship and that the the reporting agency

1504
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:10,860
at the time that the civil aviation

1505
01:12:19,170 --> 01:12:16,960
expert iv8 explored I think they they

1506
01:12:22,890 --> 01:12:19,180
said that you know the crash was

1507
01:12:27,180 --> 01:12:22,900
inconclusive they they could find no oh

1508
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:27,190
the Civil Aeronautics Board sorry I'm

1509
01:12:35,550 --> 01:12:32,170
cursed here with with my tongue but yeah

1510
01:12:37,950 --> 01:12:35,560
so the Civil Aeronautics Board never

1511
01:12:40,260 --> 01:12:37,960
never found an answer to what happened

1512
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:40,270
to the plane and so it's interesting to

1513
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:42,850
think that there there were people in

1514
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:45,330
the Air Force at that time who felt like

1515
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:49,690
something unusual went on here and it

1516
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:51,610
was connected it may have been connected

1517
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:54,010
to the UFOs and if you want to read more

1518
01:12:58,290 --> 01:12:56,530
about that you can read it in a book

1519
01:13:00,750 --> 01:12:58,300
called flying saucers from outer space

1520
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:00,760
by major Donald Kehoe

1521
01:13:05,010 --> 01:13:03,010
yep wonderful read I've got it right

1522
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:05,020
here in my library next to me

1523
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:09,120
I am I inherited a huge amount of

1524
01:13:14,189 --> 01:13:13,210
classic flying-saucer books from a bunch

1525
01:13:15,780 --> 01:13:14,199
of different research

1526
01:13:18,060 --> 01:13:15,790
throughout the years so I could not be

1527
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:18,070
more thankful for that and I remember

1528
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:20,770
that case specifically coming up it's

1529
01:13:24,810 --> 01:13:22,210
fascinating and it's very mysterious

1530
01:13:27,180 --> 01:13:24,820
like where are the bodies where's the

1531
01:13:29,850 --> 01:13:27,190
wreckage what kind of force either took

1532
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:29,860
that plane down or what kind of force

1533
01:13:36,450 --> 01:13:33,520
made it hit the water so with such

1534
01:13:39,419 --> 01:13:36,460
impact that we cannot find full bodies

1535
01:13:43,740 --> 01:13:39,429
or recognize it you only find particles

1536
01:13:45,810 --> 01:13:43,750
of people and and you know blankets and

1537
01:13:48,959 --> 01:13:45,820
you know other things but you can't find

1538
01:13:54,300 --> 01:13:48,969
the fuselage and there's there's an

1539
01:13:57,060 --> 01:13:54,310
active search for for the NW 2501 it's

1540
01:14:00,300 --> 01:13:57,070
been going on for at least a decade so

1541
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:00,310
Clive Cussler is the best-selling author

1542
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:03,489
of the Dirk Pitt adventure series and he

1543
01:14:09,209 --> 01:14:06,730
bankrolls that search for the missing

1544
01:14:11,370 --> 01:14:09,219
plane every year Wow that that's

1545
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:11,380
fascinating you you have to wonder what

1546
01:14:14,729 --> 01:14:13,600
kind of motive he has for that but a lot

1547
01:14:17,550 --> 01:14:14,739
of people just want to know the truth

1548
01:14:21,780 --> 01:14:17,560
you know and I we also think like these

1549
01:14:23,939 --> 01:14:21,790
investigations just dissolve but then 30

1550
01:14:29,820 --> 01:14:23,949
40 50 years later we find the wreckage

1551
01:14:32,490 --> 01:14:29,830
of a ship or a plane and you have to

1552
01:14:34,050 --> 01:14:32,500
remain hopeful that we we do want to

1553
01:14:36,689 --> 01:14:34,060
find answers for these things they're

1554
01:14:38,850 --> 01:14:36,699
not just some crazy fringe mystery that

1555
01:14:41,250 --> 01:14:38,860
all us Kooks and conspiracy nuts talk

1556
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:41,260
about yes these are people's lives that

1557
01:14:46,050 --> 01:14:43,570
were lost and right we owe it to them to

1558
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:46,060
find out what actually happened so and I

1559
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:48,489
think that's what what motivates Clive

1560
01:14:53,610 --> 01:14:51,760
Cussler and Valerie van heast

1561
01:14:55,979 --> 01:14:53,620
she lives in Michigan and she's the

1562
01:14:59,250 --> 01:14:55,989
director of the Michigan shipwreck

1563
01:15:01,610 --> 01:14:59,260
Research Associates and she's also an

1564
01:15:04,590 --> 01:15:01,620
award-winning author and researcher and

1565
01:15:07,890 --> 01:15:04,600
she's the one who actually does the the

1566
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:07,900
dives for a Clive Cussler and has

1567
01:15:14,939 --> 01:15:09,850
written a book called fatal crossing

1568
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:14,949
about that and NW 2501 disaster and

1569
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:17,170
actually you know through her historical

1570
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:21,120
research has been able to find the

1571
01:15:27,450 --> 01:15:24,730
remains the you know particles of you

1572
01:15:29,610 --> 01:15:27,460
know the people that unfortunately died

1573
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:29,620
in the crash and and she's been able to

1574
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:33,730
find two locations where those you know

1575
01:15:40,290 --> 01:15:37,090
scattered remains were interred and then

1576
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:40,300
was able to bring the families there to

1577
01:15:44,250 --> 01:15:41,650
have some closure

1578
01:15:46,500 --> 01:15:44,260
so that's how that's one example of how

1579
01:15:48,780 --> 01:15:46,510
historical research can really connect

1580
01:15:52,110 --> 01:15:48,790
with people of today and improve their

1581
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:52,120
lives you know what she's doing is is

1582
01:15:57,690 --> 01:15:55,930
one way you can take history and and

1583
01:15:59,640 --> 01:15:57,700
have it make a difference for people and

1584
01:16:01,890 --> 01:15:59,650
I think we can do that in the paranormal

1585
01:16:04,140 --> 01:16:01,900
as well absolutely it comes from

1586
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:04,150
grassroots civilians doing that

1587
01:16:08,940 --> 01:16:07,330
historical research so and you're one of

1588
01:16:11,910 --> 01:16:08,950
those people out there doing that Alison

1589
01:16:15,930 --> 01:16:11,920
um can you tell us a little bit about

1590
01:16:17,810 --> 01:16:15,940
this book you're working on okay so it's

1591
01:16:21,810 --> 01:16:17,820
taking me forever

1592
01:16:23,580 --> 01:16:21,820
don't worry about yeah once it comes out

1593
01:16:25,740 --> 01:16:23,590
it's gonna be worth worth it it the

1594
01:16:27,780 --> 01:16:25,750
tentative title right now is is

1595
01:16:30,180 --> 01:16:27,790
paranormal Milwaukee a hundred and one

1596
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:30,190
haunts you can visit and so of course

1597
01:16:35,670 --> 01:16:32,640
it's going to feature stories behind

1598
01:16:37,530 --> 01:16:35,680
haunted attractions hotels restaurants

1599
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:37,540
and even eight hair salons if you want a

1600
01:16:45,330 --> 01:16:42,489
haunted haircut because Ryan like just

1601
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:45,340
just like me you love when you visit a

1602
01:16:51,150 --> 01:16:48,250
location to go to every place on it

1603
01:16:53,580 --> 01:16:51,160
every place weird yeah so I figured you

1604
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:53,590
know what a great idea for a book that

1605
01:16:58,410 --> 01:16:55,930
to have a travel guide to Milwaukee's

1606
01:17:02,790 --> 01:16:58,420
haunts and you know other unusual places

1607
01:17:07,140 --> 01:17:02,800
as well and to put it in a book that is

1608
01:17:10,620 --> 01:17:07,150
is aimed at tourists but also locals

1609
01:17:13,170 --> 01:17:10,630
because I figure if you really want to

1610
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:13,180
have a paranormal experience not just

1611
01:17:18,410 --> 01:17:16,210
the you know bleeding walls hey grab a

1612
01:17:21,870 --> 01:17:18,420
ghost grabbed me by the throat kind of

1613
01:17:24,180 --> 01:17:21,880
shock value things but if you're really

1614
01:17:27,660 --> 01:17:24,190
looking for a paranormal investigation

1615
01:17:30,030 --> 01:17:27,670
or paranormal experience and you don't

1616
01:17:33,330 --> 01:17:30,040
have time to sit through investigations

1617
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:33,340
what are you gonna do well you gotta do

1618
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:37,090
errands right well why not why not when

1619
01:17:41,049 --> 01:17:39,280
you have to go to the grocery store pick

1620
01:17:43,330 --> 01:17:41,059
a haunted grocery store

1621
01:17:45,129 --> 01:17:43,340
yeah you have to when you have to get a

1622
01:17:48,220 --> 01:17:45,139
haircut you know go get a haunted

1623
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:48,230
haircut right why not go to places that

1624
01:17:51,930 --> 01:17:50,449
have this incredible history because

1625
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:51,940
it's really I think it's it's a

1626
01:17:55,569 --> 01:17:53,840
value-add

1627
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:55,579
it's an amenity that you shouldn't have

1628
01:18:01,359 --> 01:17:58,010
to go without right exactly something

1629
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:01,369
that little something extra that makes a

1630
01:18:06,250 --> 01:18:03,440
place compelling you know why go to a

1631
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:06,260
place that is just like a you know some

1632
01:18:11,290 --> 01:18:08,719
kind of chain you know when you can you

1633
01:18:13,270 --> 01:18:11,300
can visit a place with history that

1634
01:18:15,359 --> 01:18:13,280
might rub off on you a little bit if you

1635
01:18:17,939 --> 01:18:15,369
want to have a paranormal experience

1636
01:18:20,169 --> 01:18:17,949
what you're really gonna have to do is

1637
01:18:23,709 --> 01:18:20,179
increase your chances of that happening

1638
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:23,719
and what better way than to plan your

1639
01:18:29,709 --> 01:18:27,650
day around haunted locations wow I am so

1640
01:18:31,569 --> 01:18:29,719
sold that is the best pitch I've heard

1641
01:18:33,939 --> 01:18:31,579
I'm gonna have to my girlfriend and I

1642
01:18:36,399 --> 01:18:33,949
make our way to Milwaukee I have I have

1643
01:18:39,729 --> 01:18:36,409
a hundred and fifty places right now and

1644
01:18:41,620 --> 01:18:39,739
I'm like paring it down 200 one most

1645
01:18:43,209 --> 01:18:41,630
active places cool

1646
01:18:45,100 --> 01:18:43,219
then narrowing down I'm sure isn't easy

1647
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:45,110
because you know to involve them all but

1648
01:18:51,220 --> 01:18:47,510
I get it that white one is always like

1649
01:18:52,419 --> 01:18:51,230
the the buzzword you know and you would

1650
01:18:57,939 --> 01:18:52,429
know that as a teacher I would have

1651
01:19:00,910 --> 01:18:57,949
seemed to well like I said um we spoke a

1652
01:19:02,589 --> 01:19:00,920
couple weeks ago on a podcast see you on

1653
01:19:04,149 --> 01:19:02,599
the other side could you tell us a

1654
01:19:06,430 --> 01:19:04,159
little bit of how you got involved with

1655
01:19:09,879 --> 01:19:06,440
that and what you guys are doing over

1656
01:19:12,279 --> 01:19:09,889
there okay well here's the story well

1657
01:19:13,839 --> 01:19:12,289
you know in 2008 I started Milwaukee

1658
01:19:17,319 --> 01:19:13,849
ghosts calm and I started with my

1659
01:19:21,339 --> 01:19:17,329
haunted history tours and at some point

1660
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:21,349
I was like hey bro you got to do ohana

1661
01:19:27,399 --> 01:19:23,570
history tour for Madison that's where my

1662
01:19:30,669 --> 01:19:27,409
brother lives and so I helped him start

1663
01:19:33,010 --> 01:19:30,679
on his research and yeah so he he

1664
01:19:36,220 --> 01:19:33,020
started a haunted history tour in

1665
01:19:40,899 --> 01:19:36,230
Madison and then oh man he just hasn't

1666
01:19:44,890 --> 01:19:40,909
stopped he wrote a tour that he that he

1667
01:19:49,359 --> 01:19:44,900
is able to run in st. Paul also one in

1668
01:19:52,210 --> 01:19:49,369
Minneapolis and this year Waukesha

1669
01:19:55,330 --> 01:19:52,220
Wisconsin so at any given

1670
01:19:58,600 --> 01:19:55,340
night he could have you know four tours

1671
01:20:03,460 --> 01:19:58,610
running at the same time he's really an

1672
01:20:05,710 --> 01:20:03,470
overachiever but then he was like hey

1673
01:20:08,580 --> 01:20:05,720
you know we should be doing podcasts and

1674
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:08,590
and we we did do a podcast just together

1675
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:12,560
for a while called I think was called

1676
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:14,480
paranormal Wisconsin you still might be

1677
01:20:18,370 --> 01:20:15,890
able to find some of the old episodes

1678
01:20:23,020 --> 01:20:18,380
out there but that he was his other love

1679
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:23,030
is music he's a musician and in his

1680
01:20:28,210 --> 01:20:26,210
travels when he's on tour of course he

1681
01:20:30,340 --> 01:20:28,220
stays like we do at a lot of haunted

1682
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:30,350
places and seeks out those weird stories

1683
01:20:34,780 --> 01:20:31,970
so he thought well I'm gonna put these

1684
01:20:37,030 --> 01:20:34,790
two things together and he came up with

1685
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:37,040
the podcast see you on the other side

1686
01:20:44,110 --> 01:20:41,570
and yeah so we've just been going strong

1687
01:20:47,980 --> 01:20:44,120
for I think it's a couple of years now

1688
01:20:50,290 --> 01:20:47,990
we have a hundred episodes and I'm not

1689
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:50,300
on all the time but I am a pretty

1690
01:20:56,380 --> 01:20:53,450
regular guest these days as I as I said

1691
01:20:59,130 --> 01:20:56,390
Mike started my brother Mike Hubert he

1692
01:21:03,090 --> 01:20:59,140
started the podcast with his bandmate

1693
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:03,100
Wendelin Stotts who's his drummer and to

1694
01:21:08,410 --> 01:21:06,650
to document you know some of the

1695
01:21:11,070 --> 01:21:08,420
experiences that they've had on the road

1696
01:21:16,750 --> 01:21:11,080
and also talked to guests like you and

1697
01:21:19,210 --> 01:21:16,760
yeah so I'm I'm a regular co-host but

1698
01:21:23,710 --> 01:21:19,220
but not not on every time but I think my

1699
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:23,720
episodes are the best little bit I

1700
01:21:28,300 --> 01:21:26,690
really wanted to have you on because it

1701
01:21:32,490 --> 01:21:28,310
seems like you're part of this whole

1702
01:21:36,540 --> 01:21:32,500
movement to humanize the phenomena and

1703
01:21:42,190 --> 01:21:36,550
to look for patterns to to try to

1704
01:21:45,580 --> 01:21:42,200
subject the strange phenomena to some of

1705
01:21:47,020 --> 01:21:45,590
the tools of the social sciences and so

1706
01:21:50,980 --> 01:21:47,030
that's why I was like oh you gotta have

1707
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:50,990
Ryan on and we've also had Jeff Holder

1708
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:53,930
on who wrote a book poltergeist over

1709
01:22:00,760 --> 01:21:58,010
Scotland which is about a hundred and

1710
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:00,770
thirty-four poltergeist cases he was

1711
01:22:05,620 --> 01:22:03,650
able to find just in Scotland

1712
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:05,630
due to his research and

1713
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:09,170
the patterns and revelations that came

1714
01:22:15,790 --> 01:22:13,010
out of analyzing each case Wow

1715
01:22:18,939 --> 01:22:15,800
so there's a lot of people doing you

1716
01:22:21,370 --> 01:22:18,949
know doing just that you're doing it as

1717
01:22:24,490 --> 01:22:21,380
I said Jeff Holder there's also Steve

1718
01:22:29,169 --> 01:22:24,500
Parsons who's from the UK and he's

1719
01:22:32,919 --> 01:22:29,179
collected stories of a time slip that

1720
01:22:35,649 --> 01:22:32,929
has kept appearing over the years in

1721
01:22:37,629 --> 01:22:35,659
Liverpool he has over a hundred cases so

1722
01:22:40,330 --> 01:22:37,639
there are people really doing the

1723
01:22:43,140 --> 01:22:40,340
documentation that that's gonna I think

1724
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:43,150
yield some some pretty hefty rose

1725
01:22:47,709 --> 01:22:45,679
revelations in the coming years I have

1726
01:22:49,090 --> 01:22:47,719
to agree yeah I mean we're and we're

1727
01:22:51,879 --> 01:22:49,100
coming together you know it's no longer

1728
01:22:54,180 --> 01:22:51,889
like UFOs are disconnected from ghosts

1729
01:22:56,979 --> 01:22:54,190
disconnected from cryptids um we're all

1730
01:22:58,629 --> 01:22:56,989
finding these patterns about the human

1731
01:23:00,879 --> 01:22:58,639
nature of these things and how that's

1732
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:00,889
impacting us and I think that's that

1733
01:23:04,870 --> 01:23:02,960
like you said there's a renaissance

1734
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:04,880
happening in all these fields and we're

1735
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:07,370
starting to come together I mean you and

1736
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:10,010
I are doing this podcast right now and

1737
01:23:15,550 --> 01:23:12,800
we come from completely different angles

1738
01:23:18,340 --> 01:23:15,560
as it were and we found this commonality

1739
01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:18,350
of the human effect of these events and

1740
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:21,679
I think that's very exciting I'm really

1741
01:23:25,649 --> 01:23:22,880
looking forward to hearing more about

1742
01:23:28,629 --> 01:23:25,659
what you guys are doing over there and

1743
01:23:30,189 --> 01:23:28,639
what what is next for you Allison what

1744
01:23:34,300 --> 01:23:30,199
do you got on the docket I know you're

1745
01:23:37,930 --> 01:23:34,310
in award-winning researcher I had to put

1746
01:23:39,310 --> 01:23:37,940
that in there because I I love that

1747
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:39,320
conference that just happened in

1748
01:23:45,100 --> 01:23:43,280
Milwaukee I heard it went amazing and

1749
01:23:45,879 --> 01:23:45,110
we've got to help those guys out to keep

1750
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:45,889
it going

1751
01:23:53,979 --> 01:23:49,210
what yes for you well as you mentioned

1752
01:23:57,850 --> 01:23:53,989
the Milwaukee Paracon has just been such

1753
01:24:01,870 --> 01:23:57,860
a force for for bringing the paranormal

1754
01:24:04,180 --> 01:24:01,880
to Milwaukee and you know this year was

1755
01:24:08,740 --> 01:24:04,190
really an ambitious event two-day event

1756
01:24:13,359 --> 01:24:08,750
and T crewless is the organizer he's a

1757
01:24:16,419 --> 01:24:13,369
great researcher writer in our area and

1758
01:24:20,379 --> 01:24:16,429
he was able to bring in you know so many

1759
01:24:22,989 --> 01:24:20,389
great guests and also to draw from the

1760
01:24:25,119 --> 01:24:22,999
paranormal community and this year he

1761
01:24:28,209 --> 01:24:25,129
awarded me the descanse and researcher

1762
01:24:30,250 --> 01:24:28,219
of the Year award which you know to me

1763
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:30,260
that was the pinnacle of achievement not

1764
01:24:37,179 --> 01:24:31,610
and I could just take a nap that's

1765
01:24:39,819 --> 01:24:37,189
what's next I was really so touched by

1766
01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:39,829
that last year during our first

1767
01:24:45,699 --> 01:24:42,320
Milwaukee Paracon he awarded it to Linda

1768
01:24:48,879 --> 01:24:45,709
Godfrey who I mentioned previously who

1769
01:24:52,359 --> 01:24:48,889
was just brought so much to the field in

1770
01:24:54,459 --> 01:24:52,369
her research yeah in her research on the

1771
01:24:58,029 --> 01:24:54,469
brave road beast and other werewolf like

1772
01:25:01,619 --> 01:24:58,039
creature reports across the country so

1773
01:25:06,909 --> 01:25:01,629
it really means a lot to me and so I am

1774
01:25:10,330 --> 01:25:06,919
continuing to to vie of 40 and say it's

1775
01:25:12,129 --> 01:25:10,340
a V as somebody who can't get enough of

1776
01:25:14,469 --> 01:25:12,139
those old newspaper articles and

1777
01:25:16,529 --> 01:25:14,479
searching tirelessly for these stories

1778
01:25:20,169 --> 01:25:16,539
that nobody's ever heard of and and I

1779
01:25:22,839 --> 01:25:20,179
think what's next is I gotta finished my

1780
01:25:24,189 --> 01:25:22,849
first book but I think a lot of these

1781
01:25:26,859 --> 01:25:24,199
stories that we talked about today

1782
01:25:30,100 --> 01:25:26,869
although they're not they're not like

1783
01:25:33,009 --> 01:25:30,110
the the Travel Guide I'm working on you

1784
01:25:37,779 --> 01:25:33,019
know there's a lot of history conveyed

1785
01:25:40,119 --> 01:25:37,789
in in stories that I've uncovered you

1786
01:25:43,959 --> 01:25:40,129
know this for Tiana and and I think that

1787
01:25:46,359 --> 01:25:43,969
would make a great book as well just

1788
01:25:49,179 --> 01:25:46,369
just because there's so many untold

1789
01:25:53,169 --> 01:25:49,189
stories here in Wisconsin and in the

1790
01:25:56,379 --> 01:25:53,179
Midwest in general and yeah so I really

1791
01:25:58,509 --> 01:25:56,389
had a small you know very specific net

1792
01:26:02,199 --> 01:25:58,519
looking for for things in Milwaukee but

1793
01:26:06,100 --> 01:26:02,209
if I broaden it out to Wisconsin and and

1794
01:26:07,810 --> 01:26:06,110
other nearby states I'm sure I'm gonna

1795
01:26:09,580 --> 01:26:07,820
come up with even more stories that

1796
01:26:10,750 --> 01:26:09,590
nobody's ever heard before that really

1797
01:26:12,639 --> 01:26:10,760
leave you scratching your head and

1798
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:12,649
that's that's what gets me up in the

1799
01:26:17,319 --> 01:26:14,449
morning I could have put it better

1800
01:26:19,719 --> 01:26:17,329
myself me too as long as I have my cup

1801
01:26:20,199 --> 01:26:19,729
of coffee and a good story I'm good to

1802
01:26:22,750 --> 01:26:20,209
go

1803
01:26:25,060 --> 01:26:22,760
Ellison it's been amazing talking to you

1804
01:26:27,009 --> 01:26:25,070
today I'm sold

1805
01:26:30,250 --> 01:26:27,019
I want your books I want your tour

1806
01:26:32,799 --> 01:26:30,260
where can I find out more about about

1807
01:26:36,039 --> 01:26:32,809
all this well you can find me on

1808
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:36,049
Milwaukee ghosts dot-com and that's

1809
01:26:40,239 --> 01:26:38,719
plural Milwaukee ghost because it's just

1810
01:26:42,069 --> 01:26:40,249
one ghost in Milwaukee it wouldn't have

1811
01:26:44,919 --> 01:26:42,079
much to talk about so Milwaukee ghost

1812
01:26:48,399 --> 01:26:44,929
comm is a great place to to find me and

1813
01:26:53,769 --> 01:26:48,409
from there you can link to my blog you

1814
01:26:57,069 --> 01:26:53,779
can link to the podcast and yeah so also

1815
01:27:00,279 --> 01:26:57,079
the podcast I should give that there's

1816
01:27:02,949 --> 01:27:00,289
as I said there's over a hundred shows

1817
01:27:07,329 --> 01:27:02,959
available for download right now and

1818
01:27:10,719 --> 01:27:07,339
that's at other side podcast.com awesome

1819
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:10,729
well thanks again Ellison our listeners

1820
01:27:14,889 --> 01:27:13,010
are gonna love this you have such a

1821
01:27:17,139 --> 01:27:14,899
variety of topics you cover and it's

1822
01:27:20,349 --> 01:27:17,149
it's clear you have the passion the

1823
01:27:22,659 --> 01:27:20,359
insight and the knowledge to be such a

1824
01:27:24,609 --> 01:27:22,669
force in the paranormal and fourteen

1825
01:27:27,369 --> 01:27:24,619
room so again thanks for joining us

1826
01:27:29,469 --> 01:27:27,379
thank you it's been my pleasure that's

1827
01:27:31,989 --> 01:27:29,479
it for this week's episode again you can

1828
01:27:34,839 --> 01:27:31,999
find all of Allison's work at Milwaukee

1829
01:27:36,879 --> 01:27:34,849
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1830
01:27:39,339 --> 01:27:36,889
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01:28:05,589 --> 01:28:02,149
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01:28:16,459 --> 01:28:13,830
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01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:19,739
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1850
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:27,570
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1851
01:28:32,750 --> 01:28:29,489
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1852
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:32,760
skies calm I'll see you here next Monday

1853
01:28:37,939 --> 01:28:34,410
where we're going to be discussing the

1854
01:28:40,430 --> 01:28:37,949
power of urban legends remember keep

1855
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:40,440
your eyes to the skies but never stop

1856
01:29:01,770 --> 01:28:43,770
searching somewhere on the ground

1857
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:01,780
[Music]

1858
01:29:05,900 --> 01:29:03,690
[Applause]

1859
01:29:07,670 --> 01:29:05,910
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1860
01:29:09,860 --> 01:29:07,680
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